FrankeWye : That is ridiculous. No moral person could support ruthless colonialism over independence and self determination. Starting with the slaughter of the indigenous Moro rebellion in the Philippines, all you have shown is that the US has often been guilty of war crimes against indigenous natives.
Jews have always been safest in Arab lands. It was the Bablyloneans who protected the Jews from the Assyrians and others, and it was Saladin who protected the Jews from the murdering Crusaders. If the US would stop being a colonial oppressor, then there would be no violence at all. All the violence is caused by the US, (and other colonial powers.)
Ask any of those "peaceful Arabs living in the US", and they will tell you how little you understand reality.
Yeah, lets hear it for peace loving Arabs. Saddam, Osama bin Laden, Muslim Brotherhood, wahabists, moro islamic front, moro national liberation front, abu sayyaf, rajah sulaiman movement, jemaah islamiyah, hizballah, iran plot that included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, MOIS chain murders, Iran & Libya backing militants in Somalia, 9-11 hijackers, Anwar al-Awlaki in "Yemen-The new Afganistan". There is more but the point is that they are all waiting for the next Arab Mahdi to "spread justice and equity and eradicate tyranny and oppression." If the US and Isreal and Brittain are the face of tyranny and oppression then it will never end.
Which is more peaceful: thousand of arabs/muslims currently living peacefully in the US and Isreal or thousands of christians, isrealis, europeans, americans being killed systematically in the Arab world?
The Battle of Trench, Battle of Tours, Battle of Lepanto, Battle of Vienna, etc., have nothing at all to do with Palestinians. There were a series of nomadic tribes that rode in off the steppes, and not only invaded the Mideast, but much of Europe as well. They often became Muslim because that was the dominant religion of the time. But they were not Arabs and they did not follow the peaceful tenents of Islam. They include the Sythians, Huns, Mongols, Moghals, Turkmen, and Ottomen.
Do not confuse the sedentary and peaceful Arab Muslims with the aggressive invading horsemen from Asia that later became Islamic and spread the religion. One of the most well known for example, was Tammerlane, and he most clearly was Moghal, and not Arab or Muslim.
You can draw lines as it suits you but I think it is better to be fully informed. I didn't mention 628AD the Battle of Trench, 732 AD Battle of Tours, 1571 Battle of Lepanto, 1683 Battle of Vienna... ...9/11...
FrankWye : I don't know what you mean? What started with the Crusades? The loss of independence happened to the Palestinians with a long succession. The Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Mittani, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hyksos, Persians, Greeks, Romans, etc. The Ottoman Empire was supposed to be the last, because the British promised them independence once again, after 4000 years of being dominated. But the Zionists screwed that all up.
The conquered are normally always allowed to rearm. That is because they are integrated in to the society of the conqueror eventually. And once faced with a mutual enemy, they become allies.
With Zionism in Israel you have a very unusual and unique situation, where the goal is not to just dominate as the Ottoman Empire did, but the complete extermination of the Palestinians. That is extremely rare in history. It is also extremely disgusting.
FrankWye : You are lying because the links you give have nothing to do with the discussion, and yet you claim to have verified your position with links.
As for the department of energy, is has always just been facilitator for commercial enterprise. If it did its job properly, it would make private enterprise redundant and unnecessary over energy. Private enterprise does not at all create any energy, and the energy that does exist is being wasted by private enterprise shell games. We could easily have had electric commuter cars decades ago, that would have allowed us to use oil for food for centuries longer than we now have.
Sure the displacement of the indigenous Palestinans won't be the last, but the "spoils of war" have been illegal for almost 100 years, and is morally bankrupt because the British never allowed the Palestinians to be armed and have any chance at self defense. It is one thing when a contest is decided by fair combat, but it is disgusting for an armed and trained European IDF to massacre unarmed Arab civilians like they did, over and over.
And no, there are NO accounts of Arabs ever being the ones to start anything. If they were, then the tiny Jewish population of 30,000 in Jerusalem would have been quickly wiped out under the Muslim Ottoman Empire. It is extremely clear the Zionist terrorism started in the 1930s.
Rigby - I will give you credit for twisting things around. Here is a good article about all the money spent on Energy over the years and what we have to show for it, contrary to its stated goals.
Lying is the intent to deceive. I may be misinformed but I don't think so. And, I have said that it is always a tradgedy when people are displaced from their homelands but Palestinians/Jordanians weren't the first and wont be the last. Then, there is the "spoils of war". But, there is also plenty of documentation on Palestinaian attacks before their removal and voluntary moving.
FrankWye : You are lying. Sure you linked a Dept of Energy site, but it only contained comparison figures between the amount of federal money spent on exploiting between the oil, coal, and gas, with very little spent on nuclear, solar, or anthing else. Which means it did not at all back up any of your claims.
Nor is wikipedia free from propaganda. And you 67 war timeline on Wiki never claimed to explain the causes at all. It was simpy a compilation of headlines, most of which had been delibertely exaggerted in order to lead up to the war started by Israel.
To claim you supplied any facts to back up any of your positions is a lie.
In contrast, I have posted numberous link, maps, quotes, etc., to show that Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian territory, and is in violation of dozens UN resolutions:
I think that you will see that my sources are like: Wired.com - not known for a right-wing bias, which references the US Dept of Energy. Unless you are saying that they and the State Dept for both political factions is lying to us...
Sixdaywar.co.uk has cited all its quotes and information. I got a lot of it from wikipedia too. Maybe you can cite where your propaganda is coming from.
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