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oldguywithtoys
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It can happen with U.S. parts, too.
oldguywithtoys   4/10/2012 4:04:27 PM
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I'm convinced it's the difference in the thermal coefficient of expansion between the brass rivet and the aluminum shell.  I've replaced several Edison sockets over the years. Though the ones in the little 150W PAR cans I use in a small stage-lighting rig are ceramic rather than phenolic, the construction is similar.  Over the years I've had a couple of the replacements (from a U.S. manufacturer) fail as well, always with the same problem.  But I'm old enough to remember Edison sockets with identical construction except that the shell was also a brass, bronze or copper alloy, not aluminum.  I don't recall seeing this particular failure mode back then.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Design Flaws
Rob Spiegel   4/10/2012 4:02:39 PM

Not sure how drugs are examined to identify counterfeit, but the Independent Distributors of Electronics Association offers certification in identifying counterfeit electronic components. Apparently there are signs to help inspectors identify counterfeit components even though the counterfeiters are getting very clever (such as having legitimate components sitting on top of counterfeit components).

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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LAMP SOCKETS, etal....
OLD_CURMUDGEON   4/10/2012 3:19:18 PM
There's probably ONLY two manufacturers of these devices left in the U.S. / Canada, and that's LEVITON & EAGLE.  You know that even IF they manufacture some items in China, they have rigid quslity control procedures in place to prevent such anomalies.

Jon touched on the very essence of the problem with this socket.  An aluminum shell with brass rivets.  That's the same lethal combination that was present in the late 1960s when copper was scarce due to the Viet Nam conflict, and houses were being built using aluminum wiring.  Even the revised copper-clad aluminum wiring still posed a potential threat.  IF you did any electrical work during that period, you learned very quickly to bathe the terminals in "NO-ALOX", or another anti-oxidizing compound to inhibit the formation of Al Oxide.  And, terminals on devices were relabeled w/ the CU/AL logo to identify them as safe for either copper wire, copper-clad wire, OR aluminum wire.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Design Flaws
Ann R. Thryft   4/10/2012 1:08:23 PM

Jon, thanks for this article and even more for your comment about counterfeit UL labels. How scary is that?! I knew about fake chips and drugs, but fake electrical compliance labels is something we can't "watch out for" as consumers--how the heck are we supposed to know they are fake?


Jon Titus
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Re: Design Flaws
Jon Titus   4/10/2012 10:47:32 AM
Good point, TJ.  We have counterfeit semiconductors imported from Asia, so it's no big deal to put a UL or CSA label on a component such as a light socket, particularly if purchasing and manufacturing occur somewhere in Asia. And it's not just counterfeiting of electrical and electronic materials. The FDA has many cases of fake drugs--Avastin, for example--coming from overseas "suppliers."  In the case of Avastin, the source of the fake drug didn't even bother tp try to reproduce the type of label Genentech puts on the real drug and it still got through several distributors.

TJ McDermott
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Re: Design Flaws
TJ McDermott   4/10/2012 10:17:23 AM
Naperlou, the independent party testing label is still not a guarantee of a good design, or even of a valid part.  UL is constantly watching out for parts with counterfeited labels.  The parts most commonly seen with such false labels come from overseas because it is difficult to prosecute.

naperlou
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Re: Design Flaws
naperlou   4/10/2012 10:08:18 AM
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Jon is correct.  You really need to look for the UL, or similar, testing labels.  Cheap parts are nice in that they keep the price of products down.  On the other hand, as Mydesign points out it can be dangerous if you are dealing with electricity.

As for an new design for lightbulbs, the reason this has not been changed is that the manufacturers don't want to force the cost of an upgrade on the consumer.  This is nice, but it also perpetuates poor design choices of the past.

Mydesign
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Design Flaws
Mydesign   4/10/2012 6:06:06 AM
Jon, quality and finishing matters a lot, especially anything related to electricity. It's not safe to handle any devices made of poor quality materials, which can end up in electric shock. Proper design to handle the device is also important.

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