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Great! presentation, thank you Max, and thanks for the list of book reccomendations.

Iron

Thank you Maxfield, very good historical/modern HMI session.

Hi from Oregon, better late than never

Same as last, good presentation would still like to see more in PPT.

Iron

Good overview presentation!  This layout was much improved!  Point Made -- Human interface is important, a great reason to take care with making slides for presentations ...

Okay Picking up this one again

Another good presentation with plenty to think about.  Thanks!

Iron

delayed attaendance due to travel

Iron

good presentation Max.

Iron

interface is important in that it needs to be easily understandable and usable.

Iron

Human and machine interface will be through thoughts soon... :-)

Iron

The problem in human machine interface is the human

Okay part 3 of the catch up listening

@cmeadows6959 - is this the RealPlayer freebie. I have upgraded to v15, but don't see anything about capturing audio. where do you select this feature.

Iron

@MaziaLab

go to the real player site (RealPlayer.com) and update Real Player to level 10 or better.

Thank you, see you tomorrow.

Iron

Thank you very much, Clive

Iron

Thanks to all for attending

Blogger

Thanks again for another interesting session.

Iron

Thanks Max.  See ya tomorrow.

Iron

Thanks everyone..Have a good rest of the day!

Iron

@THasham "since I am new to this field so had a wrong vision on the name."

No worries -- that's why we are doing these courses

Blogger

OK, folks, it's time to go back to work.

Iron

Time to go, see all tomorrow. Thanks Max and Alex.

Iron

@danlafleur - I have an old iPaq that has a similar interface as your Swype.  I understand.  I don't really like to use it.  I'd rather wait until I can get back to my keyboard.  Some I know got a bluetooth keyboard for thier Apple product.  They liked it, but sent it back due to poor mechanical design in the keyboard.  They're still looking for keyboard with good packaging.  If that works for you, you might want to take a look for yourself.

Iron

There is a HMI in Dailises Machines. You can monitor visually the performenc of machine and control all functions through the HMI.

Iron

Hi Max, I agree. since I am new to this field so had a wrong vision on the name. Thanks again.

Iron

FYI The first episode of Dr Who came on in 1963 - -I was 6 years old -- I now have it on DVD (it seems so old now)

Blogger

@ram " You might want to take a look at Altium Designer."

I'm very familiar with Altium and Altium Designer -- actually I met the founder and CEO - Nick Martin - at ESC a couple of years ago -- he's about the same age as me -- we both love Doctor Who -- it turns out that we both used to watchit from behind the sofa's in our respective houses (me in Sheffield England, him in Tasmania)

Blogger

@Ran, the on-screen-keyboad on my tablet comes with a 3rd party app called Swype. it allows me to type by "drawing" with my finger or stylus instead of pecking at the keys. The software is aware of most letter combinations and tries to guess the word. Auto correct has caused some funny emails and i usually turn it off.

Iron

@danlafleur - I turned off Autocorrect on my device.  If you want to see how crazy it can get, check out this site:

http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/

Iron

@danlafleur..if you turn off the auto correction in the settings you will have much control over it. Otherwise you will have to proof read eveyting you type.But you will have to have a strong typing control..good luck.

Iron

@"When I hear HMI, my original impression was like Robotic or Prosthetics arms or legs or body parts..but concluded it as user interfacing."


Interesting question -- most folks today think of HMI (Human Machine Interface) in the context of a human communicatinc with a computer (perhaps by a touch screen like on in iPad, but also via keyboard or mouse) or with an industrial control system (which may also include knobs amnd dials and lights and switches and klaxtons and ....).   But if you wanted to, you coudl take this ti include systems like Stephen Hawkings uses where th ecommputer tracks the momement of the eyes ... or how about the systems that measure electrical signals in the mucsles and are used to control artificial limbs - -or brainwave monitrs uses to conteol wheelchairs -- in the future we may have direct neural implants -- all of these fall under the "umbrella" name of HMI

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@danlafleur - Sorry.  I thought you were talking about problems with the sliding on the display screem on an Apple product.  Now, if I understand you correctly, it sounds like you're referring more to things like Autocorrect or drawing some sort of pixel-based graphic.

Iron

@, How? Did you download that?

Iron

@luizcosta - Try looking at the archives of the weeks in question.  In particular, look at your contributions to the postings.  You will probably find the answer to your question by looking at your postings.

IRON

How do yo measure posting participation? as far as i know my participation level is good. i have seen postings that have no value, such as single letters. is that what you mean?

Iron

to download the audio, use the latest real player.

@danlafleur..I too had the same issue at the start. but later it becomes easier.

Iron

@Clive Maxfield - You might want to take a look at Altium Designer.  They have "hooked up" with a display company, gotten all they IP for interfacing to a display so that the design engineer has to do nothing more than drag and drop - Job Done.  After that, start programming for your CPU, MCU or embedded core.  HMI is much, much easier.

Iron

@Ran, it's a learning thing. thinking of the words and drawing lines between letters is new. I still don't trust it to write what I mean without a lot of time proofreading the text first.

Iron

@"it was difficaul to get the GUIs working because of a slow response to keypress."

Thsi is a classic HMI consideration -- the HMI must NOT be frustrating to use -- and in th ecase of modern HMIs, if you want to use fancy 3D graphics, make sore you have the processing power to support them without impacting the respoinsiveness of the system

Blogger

After looking around, we did our own touchscreen keyboard (for WinCE) and modelled it after the iPad one.

Iron

Hi Max, When I hear HMI, my original impression was like Robotic or Prosthetics arms or legs or body parts..but concluded it as user interfacing. Is it fair to say that? Thanks.

Iron

@"any refrences about tuchscreen keyboard design?"

Not off hand -- I can look around -- but you woudl probably have as much success with Google as I

Blogger

@danlafleur - I have no trouble with the slide command on Apple products.  I don't know about non-Apple products though.

Iron

HI Max,

I began using Philips Test Team  Software which was a varient of LabWindows/DOS in 1995.

I remember it was difficaul to get the GUIs working because of a slow response to keypress.

Iron

Excellent material! Thanks!

Iron

One other thing to avoid on HMIs is cryptic abbreviations.  For example, on an interface here, we have buttons labelled "LWF v" and "hop v".

Iron

Many thanks, again Max.

Iron

I recently bought a tablet. I'm still trying to get the hang of Swype for the on-screen-keyborad. any thoughts from others... does it work well after a while?

Iron

Max, any refrences about tuchscreen keyboard design?

Iron

@THasham - I've asked that question a number of times as has others, but there never seems to be an answer - at least not one we might prefer.

Iron

@"Monty Python routine: Wuthering Heights performed by semaphores"

YES -- I remember that -- a lot of their stuff is dated, but some of it is timeless -- My favorites ar ethe Dead Parrot, the Cheese Shop, and the Four Yorkshiremen (I'm originally from Yorkshire county in England)

Blogger

Some one said "The Internet is an example of too much intormation" Don't you think that the Internet is not the HMI but the info repository, from which the user must use filters so there is no information clutter?

Iron

@luizcosta - Try looking at the archives of the weeks in question.  In particular, look at your contributions to the postings.  You will probably find the answer to your question by looking at your postings.

Iron

Hi Alex, can we download the audio of the archives? Will you make them available in near future? Thanks.

Iron

@"WINDOWS  has an onscreen keyboard that is very effective"

I am SO SLOW typing on the iPad onscreen keyboard -- I thought it was totally useless -- then I saw my wife using the iPad I bought her fo rChristmas (I'm a giid husband :-)   I couldn; tbelieve how fast she was typing ...

Blogger

I know that even when I go running, to change the music on my MP3 player (touch screen), I need to pull my glove off for the panel to read.  Something about capacitance?

 

Iron

danlafleur: that makes me think of some Monty Python routine: Wuthering Heights performed by semaphores

Iron

Hey, Alex, can you tell me why the grades are different from week to week? As a matter of fact, the first week I got 49. Then I got a couple of 50s and 40 last week. I don't think I mssed any class.

Iron

@"Think of cold-weather plants"

Of course each HMI must be tailored to the user and application and environment -- there's no point in using a touchscreen if it's so cold that the operator's fingers stick to it :-)

Now I'm thinking of that Christmas Story film where the boy gets his tongue stuck to a mental pole...

Blogger

gpapich, ggod thought about gloves. we have hmi in extreme weather conditions or hazardous locations where glove or bulky mitts have to work.

Iron

@jjrochow.ra.rockwell.com - Be aware that all the comments you see posted here are archived and available to you at a later time for you to browse at your leisure, so no need to rush anything here.  Go ahead to your appointment and log in later to catch up.

Iron

WINDOWS  has an onscreen keyboard that is very effective.

Isn't that glass-panel projection stuff more or less one-way from machine to human? What can we do in the other direction?

Iron

@"I personally don't like voice control." I knwo what you mean -- I don; tthink it will be th eonly form of control -- I think it will be used to augment ofther forms of control It woudl be nice to think that even if you slipped and fell over on the way to the control panel you coul dscream "Turn the $%^^% reactr off" or "Stop the self destruct sequence" :-)

Blogger

Also, think about HMIs that are operated with gloves on.  Think of cold-weather plants or equipment operator's stations.

Iron

Max, thank you for another great presentation.

Iron

There's a good reason why aviation is going to glass-panel HMIs with backup flight control gauges...

 

Iron

what alternatives to rugged keyboards are we going to get on the shop floor? noisy, oily, steamy, whatever unfavorable conditions you can imagine...

Iron

Max do you have that book list..I must go ASAP

THanks Max.  Was only able to monitor the audio today but presentation was nicely self-contained even without the slides.  See you tomorrow.

The link works fine..Thanks.

Iron

I am ex-military and have flown aircraft.  Much HMI in those arenas are based on how quickly decisions can be made and information processed in such a way to maintain "situational awareness".  Don't want to get to the situation of "too many buttons" or gauges.  Think of the old "steam-gauge" panel of the original 747 flight engineer's station, or the IP of the B-52 Stratofortress.

Iron

looking forward to tomorrow, will be on time

Iron

I really really one to get that book on GUI Bloopers -- the description on Amazon makes it sound like a "must read"

Blogger

thanks alex, welcome back

Iron

thanks max, was late signing in, but heard enough to definitely will listen to the archive.

Iron

list of books is there in a pdf file

Iron

@Max- Can't click on it, but i can copy and paste it

Iron

If that link doesn;t work for you, try this one http://www.clivemaxfield.com/area51/uif-books.pdf

Blogger

Too much "hellos" tokk the space

Thanks to you too, Alex.

Iron

Thank you to you too Alex

Iron

I personally don't like voice control. High back ground noise, disturbing office mates and a dog that gets upset when she doesn't know why you're talking to the cieling.

Iron

One of the great things about LabVIEW is that you can design the HMI before you write any code.

Iron

Max, thank you for a great lecture!

Iron

Can you click on this link and make sure you can see the list of books http://bit.ly/AoY2pD

 

Blogger

Thanks for a great session Max!

Thanks Max and Alex

Iron

Thanks Max. Great job

Iron

thanks max, for yet another great presentation. thanks alex.

Iron

Thanks for another great presentation.

Iron

In one of my experieces developing a software engineering approach for my company, I established in the standards that the programmers hired for a project, had to work on the user manual and graphical user interfaces before knowing much about the software solution and absolutely no code writen. The idea was the the programmers familiar with what they write are the worth candidates to write user communication systems such as user manuals and user interfaces. Much of the users interface engineering was defined in advance by the software engineering team in contact with the customers while defining the set of requirement specification documents.

Iron

Thanks Max for the presentation.

Iron

Are touch screen HMIs replacing the conventional systems? Are the cost-effective and rugged?

Kinect UIs... in a nuclear power plant...

Iron

Warning - touch screen must have redundant inputs pane.  Mostly with h/w pushbuttons

touchscreens don't work well in oily environments

Iron

There are rules that we have to follow in developing text and displays in educational intuitions because of people with disabilities and there are some fonts that they don't respond to.  I teach mechatronics and they are always reminding me of those requirements.

Iron

I am a fan of them having input in it though

Iron

stereoscopic 3d. 3d monitors are becoming popular these days...

Iron

@cmeadows6959: Yeah, but depending on their level, you may get some rediculously crazy requests that you find out later they don't even need and may never use

Iron

i feel that the team, knowing the system, should design th e interface.

I don't know what specifically they are referring to with detergent, but typically no.  Acids and bases are definitely used for ph balance and also to bond with compounds in the water and filter them out

Iron

as in waste water (discharge) treatment

Iron

yes, need to maintain the ph of the water

Iron

do they use "detergent" in water treatment plants? Acid? I don't remember those from college.

Iron

Backgroun dark and pictures light colors to get good contrast

agua = aqua = water

Iron

likely water treatment since is lists acid and alkilyde? tanks

Iron

Oil refinery blocks with full Diagrams and Synbils e.g. PIC-102

@luizcosta - yes, it's in Spanish... may explain the lack of clarity ;)

Iron

Could also be a water treatment plant.  I know that a large one was built to do reverse osmosis on seawater in Mexico.

Iron

Slide 10 is in Spanish. Where is that control panel from? Oil refinery?

Iron

diagram on slide 9 and 10 is great for maintaince..

@cmeadows6959:  Also, the right-hand screen on slide 8 is LabVIEW.

Iron

2D plus, just like putting a shadow around two sides of a graphical button on screen.

Iron

The example on slide 10 is way more overloaded comparing to the one on slide 9. (looks better, but is less usable)

Iron

@cmeadows6959:  Yes, I use LabVIEW on two different fiber lines here.  We have three touch screens running LabVIEW on Windows CE for HMI and a regular Windows computer for primary control and data logging.

Iron

LabVIEW is v. good. It allow use Internet / other nets to remote control / monitoring!

 

does anyone use labview to design systems and human interfaces???/

@cmeadows6959: Sacrilege!

Iron

THE INTERNET IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF TOO MUCH INFORMANTION

now slide 7 is an easy interface to understand

Iron

looked military, all have the same haircut and pressed shirt.

Iron

Max!! You're giving away all our secrets!

Iron

Slide 5: US Combat Information System, possibly AEGIS Cruiser or Aircraft Carrier Combat Direction Center (CDC)...

 

Iron

I remember using XT Gold...

Iron

25 degrees above average in NY

Iron

we should have flowers here in Vancouver, BC, but now is snowing.  stange weather ...

Iron

Hi Max, good to be back to your lecture.

Iron

Hi Alex. Welcome back!

Iron

hello everyone, from nice-weather edmonton!

Iron

less land if you live on a coastline

More water, less land, more problem

Iron

It has been many years since Lake Mich froze over.  Even with all the exposed 'warm' water this year, very little snow!

Iron

72° F in Pennsylvania. And it is still middle of March. Practicaly we have no any winter

 

Iron

More water - better for cooling nuke reactors, right?

Didn't have much snow here in the Lake Erie snowbelt.

Did anyone see the news about 80% loss of ice on the great lakes over the past decades. That should mean more lake effect snow. too bad.

Iron

If this is global warming, I'm all for it!

Almost 70F here in mid-Michigan as well.  Early for this warmth!

Iron

Amazing weather here in Northern Alberta too. It feels like we didn't have a winter. I can't really complain about not feeling -40 this year. Same about many feet of snow that didn't happen.

Iron

Hello from sunny and warm Cleveland Ohio

Hello Alex.  Good to have you back.  You were missed yesterday.

Iron

Looks like the earth has shift a little bit from it axis due to the earthquake in Japan last year.. We are having amazingly beautiful warm weather here..:)

Iron

Good afternoon everyone!! Can't wait to listen Max's excellent lectures!

Iron

Good afternoon all, hope everyone is having a good day.

Iron

Good morning all, ready for another story filled session.

Iron

Hello everyone.

Alex, good to see you again.

Iron

We exzpect another FANTASTIC presentation!

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