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Charles Murray
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Back-up alerts
Charles Murray   3/5/2012 7:21:44 PM
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Admittedly, I'm not for regulation on this issue. It's a step too far for my tastes. I don't believe, however, that exterior back-up noises or pedestrian alerts would mean much to a toddler. If anything, it might make him or her freeze in their tracks.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: not so "common" sense
Ann R. Thryft   3/5/2012 2:35:34 PM
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I'm not quite sick of being told what to do for my own safety. But I think there's a world of difference between engines that explode or catch fire and whether someone walking behind my car is bothering to look out for his own safety and I therefore am forced to have a backup light on my car. 

So I vote for audio warnings, on the OUTSIDE of the vehicle as well as on the inside. There's almost as much walker distraction as driver distraction in my opinion. As a driver, I always look multiple times in multiple directions when backing up, especially out of a parking space, and I'm a cautious pedestrian. But it seems like about once a week I almost hit some pedestrian walking in back of my car who is not looking at me, usually in a shopping center parking lot. 


uniquity@uniquitypsych.com
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Re: big help
uniquity@uniquitypsych.com   3/5/2012 2:33:27 PM
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If you read the reasons given for the government to be involved in requiring backup cameras yo will stt tht the concern is not about hittig trash cans.  It is about hitting living things, such as children.  You can check the area behind a car before you get into it, but that doesn/t mean that nothing has moved into the area when you start to backup.  You can also teach your kids to be careful, but you cannot teach all the kids on your block. The defination of "blind spot" is an area you cannot see.  Therefore, a backup camera can  be invaluable.  The only other help is a person standing near the back of your car telling you it is clear.  I have to back out a diagonal parking space at by business.  the car Idrive has very bad visability when trying to see down the streeto to look for traffic.  Many times I have done the best I can to check, only to find a car has moved in behind me, or almost behind me, when I start to back out. 

I have seen a modern backup camera on a new car, and it was very impressive.  I have  installed wireless backup cameras on two of my vehicles, and they do not work very well.  My wife and I would love to have clear, reliable pictures of what is behind our cars.  I probably will have to get aftermarket, wired systems with night vision,.

Somestimes the so called "nany" government does a good job.  Would car companies ever had seat belts or air bags if left to their own choices?  Or would we have had more cars with explosive gas tanks like the Pinto because it saved some money in production?

kleetus
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Re: not so "common" sense
kleetus   3/5/2012 2:17:24 PM
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See my original post. I am still amazed we grew up and made it through our childhood years. You know what we learned, both as children, parents and eventually adulthood? To be careful. If you do stupid things, expect stupid results.

You can cover a car with bubble wrap, nerf, and foam and some bone head will still get hurt... and blame you for it.

Life is dangerous, inherently. You could be walk thing through the woods and have a tree branch break, fall, hit you on the head and kill you... should the gov't legislate the largest branch size that can be at x distance above your head? Of course not.

Let the consumers decide what they really want, because I for one am sick and tired of being told what I have to have for my safety.

 

It might sound callous, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but any child that hasn't been instructed to listen to their parents when the situation is dire, is going to show this depravity in judgement later in life as well. Would I be upset if my kid got hit by a car? Absolutely, but I also know that I would not let my child play in an area with traffic for one, if the child was in a traffic laden area, I would be VERY near the vicinity, watching over, and finally I would have drill into my kid's head to watch out for cars and traffic.. just like my parents did for me.

Just because many of today's parents are devoid of the proper parenting skills does not mean that everyone else needs to pick up the slack because of it. Look at the state of the country today. You see people picking up the slack for the weak/lazy/stupid every day right? Of course not. And the is is no different. Reliance on someone else, or technology or some other crutch does not take the place of training and common sense in the first place.

Let's assume you have a backup camera on your car, active radar, and ultrasonic parking sensors and 5kW of LED lighting to the rear of your vehicle, you go to back into a parking space and you hit a kid because he was climbing a tree that overshadows your parking spot and the branch he was on broke. He falls, and lands directly behind your vehicle as you're parallel parking and you hit him.

You think you're not going to get sued anyway? Ridiculous scenario yes, but who'd have thought you could get millions from McDonalds for spilling hot coffee in your lap?

Moral of the story... how much is enough? I'd say we passed that point a long time ago.

ChasChas
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big help
ChasChas   3/5/2012 1:48:21 PM
When a person is not absolutly sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is clear, do not backup.

One gets lazy, takes a chance and then calls it an accident. Or one becomes thoughtless, reckless. impatient, or (what did I miss?).

This backup camera is a big help to help you be sure.

Thinking_J
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not so "common" sense
Thinking_J   3/5/2012 1:45:14 PM
While i agree... don't want gov dictating "common" sense.

I don't agree that

- simplying checking around the vechical and

- keeping track of what I believe to be "all children" in the area ...

will prevent backup accidents.

 

I know there are small children that will:

- break away from physical restrants (parent's grip, fence, tether, etc..)

- appear un-expected from neighbor's house (children you weren't aware of).

- children in parking lots (breaking away from a parent's grip)

and move to a position behind the car, faster than you can look down and put a key in the ignition! I have seen it numerous times. I have no illusions about this "improvement"...drivers will still back over children. But it is likely to happen fewer times with better awarenes of what is behind the car.

If it is ok for the gov to mandate - air bags, bumper strength, crash survial, head lights, rearview mirrors, etc... Why would I NOT expect them to dictate blind spot size? (they are not dictating cameras as the solution). And on some SUVs.. blind spot size in front of the vechical would be appropriate also! (cannot find the dang curb , certainly would not see a small child)

The real question I want answered .. when will the gov dicate postion of tissue boxes in cars?

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Re: Bureaucracy
RNDDUDE   3/5/2012 1:41:31 PM
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I agree with battar. Ultrasonic sensors with beeping tone cannot be ignored, unlike cameras which require attentitive use to be effective. Plus they are much cheaper.

I would support an ultrasonic sensor mandate, but not cameras, which are great but should remain a buyer funded option.

kleetus
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Re: Bureaucracy
kleetus   3/5/2012 11:50:01 AM
To make a very long story short... You can't legislate common sense. It's really amazing to me that any of us survived our childhoods to become adults today.

We really don't need the nanny state to take care of us. A little more common sense, and maybe, just maybe a driver test for the young driver that isn't a rubber stamp approval might go a long way.

jhankwitz
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Bureaucracy
jhankwitz   3/5/2012 11:28:51 AM
The backup cameras on my Toyotas work great, but I scan the area before I enter the car and review all my mirrors in addition to the screen.  I will never purchase a vehicle without a rear camera.  But, I don't believe the government should have the right to mandate their use.  Cameras will not and can not prevent backup deaths.  Only the drivers can do that.  It's the drivers responsibility to take needed and appropriate actions to not kill people.

Why isn't more press aimed at the 100,000 USA hospital deaths caused by visit contracted infections and miss-provided prescriptions?  That's equivalent to 3 fully-loaded 747's crashing every day.  Or, how about the 18,000 drunk driver murders committed each year?  The government should be aiming its resources where it's most needed by dealing appropriately with those that don't take full responsibility for their actions.  In our state, killing someone with your car when you're drunk, or giving a patient the wrong medication are misdemeanors.

TOP
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Re: What about better backup lights?
TOP   3/5/2012 11:06:19 AM
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John,

To add to your safety procedures, I back into my parking spot at home so I can go out front first. That way I can scan the area into which I am going to back up before entering it.

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