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Rob Spiegel
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Re: Another pointless automation
Rob Spiegel   3/1/2012 10:18:46 AM
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Most of my music listening is in the car. I have music on in the house, but it's on while I'm working, so I don't listen closely. In the car, CD technology was a major improvement over tape. So, while I understadn that vinyl is superior, I don't get a chance to listen to vinyl often.

jmiller
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Re: Another pointless automation
jmiller   2/29/2012 8:39:20 PM
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I hate it when I get asked a toucgh question.  I think it was a chevy impala that I had.  The feature was called auto volume.  Kind of a neat idea.  But it didn't really work the way they said it would.  It "sounded" like a good idea, though.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Another pointless automation
Ann R. Thryft   2/29/2012 1:49:46 PM
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Another Neil Young fan! Yes, I've heard him complain about digital sound, but not at that detail level. I can definitely tell the difference. Those who say humans can't obviously can't themselves and may be working with averages, not the total Bell curve population that includes extreme outliers. If I could afford it, all my sound equipment would be older-audiophile stuff. OTOH, I think some classical music sounds a lot better on CD, especially strings and harpsichord. I can also tell the difference, although it keeps getting harder to do, between digital and analog photos. 

What the human eye and ear do perceive, aided of course by the brain, is the Gestalt, the total picture or sound cluster, even if they can't perceive the discrete components. Theoretically, higher sampling rates would remove much of the choppiness.


Rob Spiegel
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Re: Another pointless automation
Rob Spiegel   2/29/2012 1:29:53 PM
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Yes, digital chunks. Neil Young has long complained about this. He insists digital recording can't capture the sound of an acounstic guitar accurately because there are a gazillion digital breaks in the sound. Some say the human ear can't hear the fact that digital sound is made up of pixels (just as we can't see the dots in color printing). Young disagrees. He insists you can tell the difference between pixelated music and the sustained sound of alalog recordings.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Another pointless automation
Ann R. Thryft   2/29/2012 12:51:10 PM
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jmiller, that takes the cake. Who could have thought anyone wants volume to change with changes in car speed?! No relationship at all. Do you remember what make and model that was?



Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Another pointless automation
Ann R. Thryft   2/29/2012 12:20:23 PM
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That's an interesting point, Rob, about the digital chunks versus the sustained analog sound. It makes a lot of sense.


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Re: Auto climate control & other computer idiocys
Alexander Wolfe   2/28/2012 4:32:35 PM
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Speaking of backwards climate control systems, my ongoing litany of complaints about my 1980 Dodge with the deep-dish steering wheel (I can't remember the name of the car, but deep dish wheels were on a bunch of Mopar products...too boat-like for my taste) included a climate control system where the cable connect that temperature control slider on the dash to the air mixing box underneath snapped. So to go from warm to cool and back again, I had to reach under the middle of the dash and move a vertical half-wheel back and forth to get the temp mixing door to open or shut. A fun thing to do at speed, though I got pretty good at it.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Another pointless automation
Rob Spiegel   2/28/2012 1:14:41 PM
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Yes, there's a difference. I hear it in acoustic guitar recordings. The vinyl has the warm hum, while the CD is crisp. From what you say, it sounds like the same problem occurs with the tremolo vocal. I would imagine it's the chunks of sound in the digital recording that hurts the warm sustained sound.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Another pointless automation
Ann R. Thryft   2/28/2012 1:08:24 PM
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I probably shouldn't get started on the vastly reduced audio quality of MP3. Ecchh! I have a vinyl recording of Irish tenor Tommy Makem singing "The Wind That Shakes the Barley." It is the exact same recording as the one I later bought on CD. But on my 1987 excellent stereo with my husband's excellent speakers, the one on vinyl makes him sound like he's a few feet away from you in a club and you can hear his goosebump-inducing incredible voice doing that subtle tremolo thing. All of that is lacking in the CD recording, which I was surprised, and disappointed, to discover. That experience is what really made me realize how bad MP3 is, no matter which bit rate.


jmiller
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Re: Another pointless automation
jmiller   2/27/2012 8:59:36 PM
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Reading your comment reminds of a similar useless feature in a previous vehicle I had where the volume would "adjust" to louder or softer as the velocity of the car increased or decreased.  The thought of course was this would be a convenience to the driver turning the volume up as the car went faster and the volume down when the car slowed.  In the end the best part about this feature was the fact that I could shut it off.

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