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WhEEngineer
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Re: What is CO2?
WhEEngineer   2/15/2012 9:23:24 AM
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I love how me not jumping the GW religion will kill the planet.  I am for nuke plants, as they don't chop up birds or cost more in energy than they produce over their lifetimes like solar.

WhEEngineer
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What effect
WhEEngineer   2/15/2012 9:21:40 AM
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Has the EU paying GW taxes done to the so called rise in temperature?

WhEEngineer
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Re: What are the facts?
WhEEngineer   2/15/2012 9:20:27 AM
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So you are saying if the sun poofed out man made global warming would still accelerate?

WhEEngineer
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Re: Wearing furs 50 years ago...!
WhEEngineer   2/15/2012 9:15:02 AM
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Never seen it, tell me about teletubbies as you must be an expert.  The comment was how clothing has changed in the past 50 years.   Read and comprehend much?  Or has the GW religion made you loony?

WhEEngineer
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Re: What are the facts?
WhEEngineer   2/15/2012 9:12:13 AM
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LSD has never killed or seriously debillitatted anyone in it's history.  Especially 3 or 4 drops in an olympic sized pool.  Botulism that small a dose wouldn't kill anyone either.

Sport
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Re: The Cloud Effect
Sport   2/15/2012 8:41:42 AM
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You are obviously one of the not too deeply informed either. 

Please explain orbital changes?  There are "cycles" that ocur over thousands of years but not changes that I'm aware of....  I believe Newton, Galileo, and Copernicus had something to say about that.  You are obviously brimming with made up facts about how fast the oceans are heating up.  One artical I read said the model need an additional 7 years to get a complete cycle.  The models are continuoulsy changed to match the observations.  The last I knew, Ice ages are triggered by geography.  Of course, it's short sighted to blame this on a single factor. A bit of interesting reading.  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/cause-ice-age.html

There are more than 1100 ACTIVE volcanoes on this planet.  All are emitting green house gasses.  Mt. Pinatubo all by itself put more green house gasses and other pollutants into the atmosphere in that one day than man did in the previous 100 years.  If you turn a blinde eye, the effects are small.  There are points in time when trees were growing in the artic regions.  No ice caps at all.  How did this happen without humans?

The magnetic poles are moving.  Is man causing this as well?  Does this influence our weather?

NASA thinks we are absorbing an additional .58W /Sq. Meter due to an increase of 300ppM in CO2.  The total is only about (something less than 400ppM).  So, if we eliminate almost all the CO2 in the atmosphere we now have, we can reduce out energy imbalance by .58W /Sq. Meter.  I believe that solar absorbtion ( the energy that hits the ground ) is over 1Kw/Sq. Meter.  I suppose it all depends on where you measure it but NASA didn't make that distinction either.  NASA is funded by an administration that currently has a green agenda.  They also launched a space shuttle against the advice of engineers with intimate knowlege of the effect of freezing temperatures on the SRB's that resulted in the destruction of Challanger.  As such you can't tell me they are not politically motivated in their decision making processes.

I have not yet read all your comments but I'm sure I will enjoy them.  I could go on and on myself but what's the point?

Please forgive me if I don't jump on the "Humans are killing the planet" bandwagon.  I remain skeptical.  So do many "Real" scientists.

I wish you well.

akwaman
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Re: What is CO2?
akwaman   2/15/2012 7:10:44 AM
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Wow, WhEEngineer!  You finally got one right!!  Well close... plants do absorb CO2! This absorption, through photosynthesis creates 'food' in the form of glucose.  If it were up to people like you, we would have no more plants, other than ones that burn coal!

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Re: What are the facts?
akwaman   2/15/2012 7:01:16 AM
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ktgunn@aethon.com, now here is a person who gets it.  Last 2 paragraphs say it all.

akwaman
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Re: What information is correct?
akwaman   2/15/2012 6:55:45 AM
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You got me, Non-mag...lol, but in my defense, the Harley gets 45 miles/gallon (I drive it to work everyday), and if they made an electric one I would have it (sorry, I'm just not a scooter guy). and my other vehicle, the Prius runs half on batteries.  I use a minimum of half the gasoline as the average American, I heat and power my pool from the sun, and am working on a solar array for my house. As soon as it is large enough, an all electric car is next.  I am not perfect, but at least I am not sitting idly by and denying common sense stuff. Action is difficult but necessary, all talk and no action is a waste of time.  Nothing can be done or undone overnight.  The point here is that we (as a society) need to stop fighting the battles for the wealthy, they don't need your help.  Fight for yourself and your health, fight for mankind, fight for your children.  My point is... Do Something.

Philip
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Which side is Lying ?
Philip   2/15/2012 1:25:09 AM
I have spent thousands of hours reading papers and books from both sides over the past couple of decades.  I have yet to find a single statement denying global warming that was actually true.  Every single claim of the Denialists that is not an outright lie turns out to be based upon cherry picked data and dissolves when tested with a complete data set.  The best proof is the total lack of non rebutted peer reviewed papers that present significant evidence against global warming.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/case-against-AGW-part3.html

And a list of science based, fully referenced answers to every denier argument that I have heard of :

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=taxonomy

Unlike the denier arguments, I have been unable to find any flaws in John Cook's work.

Realclimate.org  Is a great place to learn about how global warming works directly from the experts.

Here is a great lecture about CO2 and paleoclimate :

http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lectures/lecture_videos/A23A.shtml

Desmogblog.com  Exposes the liers that lead the denier movement and explores their funding.  They have found that 8 of these 16 supposedly expert scientists are paid by the fossil fuel industry to write propaganda.

You will always find some scientists who believe that the world is flat.  An increasing percentage ( 90% of general scientists and 97% of climate scientists) have figured out that human caused global warming is real , dangerous to civilization and the economy, and that no viable alternative explanations exist.

Philip

 

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