I use to believe the GW hype. I even went and created a survival kit after watching "An Inconvienient Truth". My turning point was when I discovered the treasure trove of emails from the GW camp a few years later. A bunch of my coworker engineers and I used MS Visual Studio to search the entire .zip file of emails looking for certain keywords. After a couple days of analyzing the emails, it was pretty clear to us that the evidence used by these particular scientists in the GW camp was lacking, mainly by their own admission and attitude in the emails. I'd be glad to post the .zip file again to anyone interested in doing their own study of them and coming up with their own opinion. In the meantime, I still recycle, but I don't go around worrying about GW like those skeptics do. Nature will do just fine with or without us. In the meantime, enjoy life and don't worry about skeptics...the world will never run out of them.
So you've studied this extensively and written a lot of comments! I bet you have.
Where are the links to your research? I don't see any. As for the "GW" crowd's bad work, where's your proof? I don't see anything that identifies anything in specific, but that's not surprising.
Here's another take on the problem, why not read the scientific literature? Why not let the experts outline the problem and suggest solutions? I know why, and it has to do with religious beliefs that exalts man above accountability and free market ideology that implements that belief.
So, come on Ivan, I challenge you to post anything in the scientific literature that supports your contention. Let's see it.
I have studied this extensively and written lots of comments and arguments on this subject.
Most of the GW crowd is basing their analysis on computer models that are not very good. Tehy might be the best we have but one has to undeerstand these have little predictive value in as complex a science and situtation as Earth's climate.
but here's another take on the problem. Let's say you had $50 Billion to spend on making the earth a better place. Would you spend it on CO2 reduction or on improving the access to clean fresh water for the inhabitants that don't have it?
I would rather see the money spent on the water problem and let the science on CO2 being the driving factor in GW be subjected to a couple more years of research.
One of the first rules is, Don't panic! The second is to understand the problem thoroughly, formulate theories and test them to determine the true cause and effect relationships before spending $50 Billion or more on a solution.
We are closer to the inception of an Ice Age than we are to GW being a problem.
Who's to say the current cimate is optimum anyway?
First, let me express my gratitude to the Deniers. I have been teaching formal logic and was at a loss for real-life examples of the classical fallacies. You have provided me with wonderful material for several of them, especially "agrumentum ad consequentiam" and "argumentum ad hominem."
Now a challenge. If any of you can put together a scientifically defensible paper that refutes the physics behind climate change, please write it up and I will help you edit it and submit it to a refereed journal. You, of course, will be listed as First Author.
To see the physical argument you need to falsify, go to:
If you need funding for your work, I am sure the Coch Brothers, the coal associations, and and Exxon-Mobil will gladly deliver wheelbarrows full of money if you can promise them a successful rebuttal of Climate Change.
Do you really feel that water vapor as a greenhouse needs to be dealt with in a measured, rational way? That you state that indicates that you have not read the scientific literature as climatologists already take it into account!
It isn't our holier than thou attitude that is the problem, it's the denier community's absolute refusal to even read the literature! The question is why, and I think that the answer lies in their belief system, that exalts them above accountability for the harm they cause as they see that the world was created for their use by god, and if god created it then it can't fail. Now that's delusion.
Your post is such an Inconvenient Truth. Be prepared for incessant badgering and ridicule for your comments. The GW crowd (at least the militant faction of it) doesn't seem to understand that they shoot themselves in the foot by their "holier than thou" attitude.
Personally, I feel this is an important topic and action should be taken in measured, rational way. The problem is dealing with people who adopt a cause and then look at enough websites to make themselves "experts".
By far the most significant contributor to the greenhouse effect is water vapor. CO2 makes up a very minor portion of the total effect. A few percent at best.
Once that fact is recognized one has to look elsewhere for the causes of "climate change".
What worthless and misguided research did you see? Where's the evidence? Why do you insist on making claims without any supporting evidence?
Have you ever contacted any othe climatologists with your "concerns"? Where can we read these, in what journal? Where is your work that refutes what they've shown? for example, you're claiming that their hard science isn't straight forward, so where have you found them wrong? Post your work that explains why you lost respect for climatologists.
Where have you seen that the process is "hostile" to outsiders? Where's the evidence?
Where is this data that supports your claim that there is raw data indicating that solar activity is heating all planets? I suggest that you read Global warming on Mars?.
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