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Watashi
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What is greener?
Watashi   1/30/2012 3:48:37 PM
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My leather seats come from a killed cow, which eliminates one of the worst greenhouse gas producers on the plant.  If everyone would do their part and demand a leather interior option we could go a long ways toward eliminating methane emmisions and save the precious crude oil that plastic manufacturing requires.

There are only so many recycled bottles people.  Driving more plastic content in a product will just ultimately drive a higher demand for plastic. Driving more demand for crude oil.

See...we can all play the green game!

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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Re: Bottle from shows
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   1/30/2012 2:34:46 PM
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"Greenwash" – I get it.  Like the old expression to "white-wash" someone as if you were stretching the truth, or even con' ing them into believing something. That expression is so appropriate today – I'll remember it.   My wife and I are constantly finding ourselves "rolling our eyes" at so many claims about this or that environmentally friendly initiative that, to our common sense, is just plain "hog-wash".  

Certainly, not say that true environmental initiatives aren't of great value and absolutely needed -- but it seems like "green" is such a buzz-word today that many unscrupulous persons and organizations are throwing the term around far too casually.  "Green washed". – I Like it. Thanks.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Bottle from shows
Rob Spiegel   1/30/2012 1:26:15 PM
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Jim, Ann noted these bottles get shipped anyway, so that might not be a big deal. There is an element of "greenwash" to this. Greenwash is PR that is done to make companies look good even if their green initiatives are not meaningful in sustainability. That is a lot of it around. Yet it may ultimately be positive simply because it underscores the virtue of sustainability and therefore, true sustainability efforts may follow. 

Jon Titus
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Re: plastic bottles
Jon Titus   1/30/2012 1:20:43 PM
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Maybe Coke increases its cost because people don't return bottles.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ford one of the first
Ann R. Thryft   1/30/2012 11:48:52 AM
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Ford is actually one of the first, if not the first, auto company to lay down mandates to its suppliers about recycled content. One thing I'm finding about both bio-based plastics and recycled plastics, at least in engineering-grade plastics, is that in many industries one supplier and/or one OEM has taken the lead. For instance, DuPont was an early plastics maker to begin the shift to bioplastics, and Fujitsu was an early computer OEM to begin the move to same in that industry. In all cases, the alternative material has to meet the required performance specs.

And to repeat myself re shipping bottles across the country, that usually happens anyway to get materials to industrial recycling facilities. The purpose of recycling is not always to save energy: it's to keep plastic out of landfills, the ocean, and bird's stomachs.


Rob Spiegel
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Re: Bottle from shows
Rob Spiegel   1/30/2012 11:35:53 AM
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I agree Tim. It's a small move forward, but it may be the kind of move that jostles other companies the implement similar programs. Plus, it may prompt technology moves that make green initiatives more and more feasible.

plasticlumberman
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Re: plastic bottles
plasticlumberman   1/30/2012 10:36:10 AM
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Kudos to Ford for even considering using recycled plastic in their cars. The German companies are required to recycle plastics in their vehicles, and no one I know of thinks they make cars of a lesser quality than the US brands.

John
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plastic bottles
John   1/30/2012 9:47:22 AM
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I am not old enough to have been able to attend the first earth day, but I do remember some throughout the 80's.  I do remember when water in a bottle was first sold and how many people saw it as a waste of money at first.  Something that would never catch on and quickly fade away.  But it's still here and people by bottled water by the cases.  Not exactly my idea of good use of a limited resource like crude oil, but it is good to see someone capture a few million bottles for recycle. 

I don't drink much bottled water and refuse to send my Coke bottles back to Coca-Cola just because they keep increasing the cost and I think sending the bottle back to them just puts more money in there pocket without a price break for me.

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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Re: Bottle from shows
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   1/30/2012 9:11:12 AM
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@Rob-you stole the thought right out of my mind, that sourcing the trash from the CES show was a gimmick that likely cost more energy than it saved.  Cool that the fabric is made from re-processed PET, but water bottles are everywhere.  Kudus to FORD engineering to target this type of recycling and maintain the economics in the process, but I hope they don't exploit the claim of rescuing all the bottles from the big event shows. To me, the showy Grand-Standing claim kind of takes-away from the excellent accomplishment of the tech advance.

Tim
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Re: Bottle from shows
Tim   1/27/2012 9:04:43 PM
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I did not attend the first Earth Day, but I do appreciate helping the environment. Stating the amount of bottles in each seat puts this in a measurement that consumers can associate with. It is great to see a proud American company keeping up with the green initiative.

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