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Beth Stackpole
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SOTU and manufacturing
Beth Stackpole   1/27/2012 9:12:31 AM
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I listened to the President SOTU and was heartened by the focus on calls for revitalizing the manufacturing industry and supply chain, including possible tax reform that would encourage corporate investment in reshoring American jobs. That bubble gets burst rather quickly when you consider the very real and difficult challenges that lie ahead before any of that transition can happen and your piece does a stellar job of spotlighting those challenges.

The question is what kind of infrastructure can Americans possibly create that could rival the economic advantages that a FoxConn city or government subsidiaries bring to the table making it such a fiscal no-brainer for companies like Apple to outsource  overseas? There are no easy answers. With all the political jockeying, two of the most effective tools--corporate tax reform and our own government programs--don't stand a chance when up against an increasingly devisive Washington.

TJ McDermott
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Re: SOTU and manufacturing
TJ McDermott   1/27/2012 10:00:34 AM
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The structural steel modules (not just the raw steel, but finished bridge assemblies) for the new Bay Bridge in San Fransisco are being fabricated in China.  California decided not to use federal funds so they could save $400 million dollars.

The cost impact is MUCH greater, and will get worse.  It was a short-sighted, short-term savings by state government.

The ridiculous battle over the Air Force tanker program is another instance where the government decision to build domestically vs. internationally should never have gone as far as it did.

We have ONE large body aircraft manufacturer left in the country.  To not use it for such a program, and keep tens of thousands of jobs (directly and indirectly involved with actual construction) is dereliction of our elected official's duties.

Alexander Wolfe
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Jobs not coming back
Alexander Wolfe   1/27/2012 10:50:00 AM
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Steve Jobs famously told President Obama that "those jobs aren't coming back," in reference to jobs lost to China. The economy is still in the midst of structural change, and hasn't settled yet, which makes long-term strategic planning difficult. Even more than that, the political reality is that many people are opposed to government setting and spending money on an industrial policy. At the same time, you have people like former Intel chairman Craig Barrett sounding the alarm about STEM, or lack thereof. I.e., the US needs to educate children so that they have a math and science basis from which they can progress to technical careers. I wish I knew what the solution was. The one bright spot is that all the US manufacturing executives I know wish they could spend money on upgrading plant infrastructure. So there's pent up demand and desire to move forward and become more competitive.

sensor pro
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Re: SOTU and manufacturing
sensor pro   1/27/2012 10:54:08 AM
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I completely agree with you. I would go a step further. In many cases the action of our elected officials could be looked as anti American. We also kill our manufacturing with unreal regulations.

We must be careful of price level, but that should not be the only criteria.

sensor pro
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Re: SOTU and manufacturing
sensor pro   1/27/2012 10:59:09 AM
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I also "enjoyed" the SOTU speach. It made me feel even worth from how I felt before the speach. Clearly the weather in Washington is too cloudy. The culture of "spend-spend and spend" on wrong things will not stop unless there is a cultural change. The division between parties is huge and i do not see a way for easy and fast fix.

Charles Murray
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R&D outsourcing? No way
Charles Murray   1/27/2012 11:56:28 AM
I'm afraid I agree with Jobs. Many manufacturing jobs -- especially the low-level ones -- aren't coming back. We can't compete with FoxConn City. But outsourcing of R&D? No way. With our university system, we should be leading the world in product innovation and in the creation of technical talent. And we should do whatever we have to in order to keep those jobs here. Our R&D, our engineering, and our ability to innovate should stay right here.

Beth Stackpole
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Re: R&D outsourcing? No way
Beth Stackpole   1/27/2012 12:03:28 PM
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I completely with you, Chuck, and applaud your definite and passionate response to the idea of outsourcing R&D overseas. I think both Washington policy and corporate agendas have to do whatever it takes to foster R&D jobs and a culture of innovation right here on our own shores. Educational institutions have to step up promoting STEM curriculum and we have to make it a priority to introduce our next generation to the skills and training they will need to lead American innovation.

Jon Titus
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The Engine of Prosperity and Growth
Jon Titus   1/27/2012 1:04:55 PM
Unfortunately, we can't expect the engine of prosperity and growth to move along its track when it must stop every few miles to get bureaucrats and regulations out of the way.  If I were to start a business today, I'd set it up in Australia, Hong Kong, Singapore or New Zealand; not here (USA).  US businesses get burdened with ill-conceived regulations that help drive them overseas.  I doubt many manufacturing jobs will return to the US, but by getting government out of the way we have a better chance to ensure R&D activities stay here and that corporations don't move off shore.  Eliminating the tax on overseas profits would let companies bring profits back to the US and invest them.  And repealing the stupid Sarbanes-Oxley Act would eliminate another noxious burden for companies. OK, you get the idea...

Alexander Wolfe
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Re: R&D outsourcing? No way
Alexander Wolfe   1/27/2012 2:07:16 PM
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Regarding STEM, there's been a lot of executive support for improvements in both funding and process for K-through-12 science and math education. However, it doesn't seem to have had much effect, as of yet. I did an interview two years ago with former Intel chairman Craig Barrett, who is a major STEM advocate. You can read it here. I would add that the slow progress is partly the result of the fact that it's a multi-tentacled effort comprising government, academia, and titans of the tech industry. At the same time, the slow forward movement is, at this point, also indicative of a lack of collective well to break the logjam and just get it done.

Alexander Wolfe
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Re: The Engine of Prosperity and Growth
Alexander Wolfe   1/27/2012 2:12:21 PM
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I would agree with Jon that there are serious domestic regulatory impediments, which put U.S. companies at a disadvantage. However, I find it illogical (in a Spock-like way, I guess) that a desired to dismantle onerous regulations has become joined at the hip (or, in our world, soldered) with the view that government can never invest in, nor support, any research, technology, or company. (Support for education is often, though not always, included in this bundle.) That linkage, I submit, is illogical. Firstly, the two issues are discrete and so one should have nothing to do with the other. Secondly, a cogent argument can be made the government financial support for, say, tech R&D in batteries, would help LEVEL the playing field with the likes of China.

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