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EdV
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Electric doesn't mean zero CO2
EdV   12/22/2011 3:26:20 PM
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Love the new fabric! In the second paragraph, there is a statement asserting that the car, being electric, produces no CO2 emissions. I think we should count the fraction of the emissions of the power plant for the energy used to charge the car. It would be significantly less than an HC fueled car, due to efficiency and averaging across coal/nuclear/wind/solar/hydro, etc. generation. I just think that zero is a bit misleading. Not that I don't like electric cars ... It's the ONLY way I would ever drive anything ultimately powered by wind or nuclear.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Sustainable materials even bigger sustainability impact
Rob Spiegel   12/22/2011 2:44:54 PM
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I agree Justajo about the long standing recycling aspects of the auto industry. The cars don't get melted down until all useable parts have stripped off. Then what's left gets melted down to make new cars. Steel's big argument against composite materials is the ease with which steel can recycled.


Justajo
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Re: Sustainable materials even bigger sustainability impact
Justajo   12/22/2011 11:09:56 AM
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TJ, I can assure you that fabric made from recycled plastic bottles absolutely feels like that made from new or even natural material. There's a chance that you've worn or handled fabric made from recycled plastic. This technology is so advanced that one is hard pressed to tell the difference.

It's good to see that the automotive industry is getting more into recycling, though it has been there for quite some time in one way or another. As one example, think of the auto salvage yard. These have been around for decades. Parts from old or wrecked car and trucks are reused. What isn't reused gets melted down, as in the case of steel and aluminum, and likely ends up in more cars.

As another example of this re-use aspect (and to show my age) back in 1969, when I had been laying carpet for a few years, I had my first glimpse of "rebond" carpet padding. I wondered about it's appearance, that it looked like it was made from various bits of foam, and I was told that's exactly what it was and still is. The majority of this foam (as well as vinyl fabric and other synthetics) came from and still comes from, I'm sure, the auto and furniture industry. And now, since rebond pad is made from the scraps left over in upholstering with car making the major source, we may soon see RE-recycling as the scraps of that redone plastic ends up on floors of houses and commercial buildings.

Dave Palmer
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Nylon ≠ polyester
Dave Palmer   12/22/2011 10:43:21 AM
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@Ann: Good article.  However, you might want to clarify that, while Unifi makes both Repreve polyester fiber and Repreve nylon filament, these are two different products.  The polyester fiber contains both pre- and post-consumer waste material, while the nylon fiber contains only pre-consumer waste material.

vimalkumarp
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Ford's great work
vimalkumarp   12/21/2011 10:32:56 PM
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This will definitely act as an eye opener. Though cradle to cradle design is a bit far there is still hope..

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Sustainable materials even bigger sustainability impact
Rob Spiegel   12/21/2011 10:48:24 AM
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Nice story, Ann.

It's amazing what a customer mandate will do. Ford asked its suppliers to come up with post-consumer waste interior materials and its supplier got imaginative. I guess that's the old saw of necessity being the mother of invention. Various supplier mandates from Wal-Mart have also been effective.

Beth Stackpole
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Re: Sustainable materials even bigger sustainability impact
Beth Stackpole   12/21/2011 9:49:46 AM
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If car seats are anything like the fabrics used in clothing, I think you can still maintain a pretty good look and feel.  I've seen some pretty amazing things done with recyclable materials in clothing, even household items. High end vehicles typically don't have fabrics--they are usually equipped with leather upholstery. My guess is we'll see some pretty compelling options going forward.

TJ McDermott
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Re: Sustainable materials even bigger sustainability impact
TJ McDermott   12/21/2011 9:42:21 AM
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I'm thrilled to see the plastic get reused, and agree there should be much more of it.

But does being green mean giving up some of the rich feel of a new car?  Do the fabrics feel as good as regular fabrics?

Beth Stackpole
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Sustainable materials even bigger sustainability impact
Beth Stackpole   12/21/2011 6:31:35 AM
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This is pretty cool. I would think that a full-out campaign to use sustainable materials in  vehicles, be it car seats, rugs, or whatever, might actually have more impact on reducing carbon footprint than auto makers' EV plans, given the relatively small audience still for those cars. I hope we see more manufacturers follow this route.

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