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Ozark Sage
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WHY we MUST GO FOWARD; NOT BACKWARD
Ozark Sage   1/19/2012 4:18:09 PM
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First the grid system itself is out dated and must be upgraded.  It costs too much to matain and build, will not hold up in bad in iceing, floods, hurricanes, fires, or wars.  In fact why does it even exist?  Well thats how Mr. Westinghouse designed the first overland distribution out of Niagra Falls to distribut Mr. N. Tessla's multi-phase power.  Go see it, it is still working. 

Now, jumping to 2012, we are still using cross country distribution (thank God without Edison's and Wall Streets perfered DC method designs) but, really havent moved forward.  Why?  We have stand-alone generation capability and know how to use it, or do we?  Or are we reluctant to explore the true value of new technology fearing the selfish control methods applied by the J. P. Morgan's of the world?  I think so and here is why.

We don't have a NEED prerequisit such as on a ship, nor do we understand the alternates available to us.  Thoes such as ZERO, COLD, FREE, FUSION or E-Cat technologies.  And, why don't we undestand or use such technologies?  Technologies that havebeen known and hidden away from the public for at least a century and are here NOW.  These eneryg systems are safe, make NO polution, are very buildable, genrate limitless power, are afordable and provide the keys to safe tranmutation of spent fision fuel.   

It is my contention that the R&D. Engineering, Scientific and ALL OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES should demand, world wide, patent restructuring and government coperation to make this posible!  If this happens we may truly look forward to a renaissance of new discovery and invention.   





   

Charles Murray
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Re: Good concept
Charles Murray   1/5/2012 10:19:35 PM
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Charles Murray
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Re: Good concept
Charles Murray   1/4/2012 11:05:16 PM
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Actually, Roy, there are trucks on the market that already let owners plug their appliances in, although not heat and lights, as far as I know.

Tim
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Re: Good concept
Tim   1/3/2012 7:41:02 PM
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It would be great to use your car as an emergency back up generator

Roy Salkus
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Re: Good concept
Roy Salkus   1/3/2012 11:47:27 AM
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Maybe not to power the Grid, but wouldn't it be great

to be able to power critcal loads (heat & light) at home

when the power goes off, and everything grinds to a halt.

naperlou
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Re: This is an opportunity, not a negative!!
naperlou   12/31/2011 6:12:58 PM
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Frankly it could go either  way.  I tend to Sawmill Engineer is on the right track.  The utility operator gets paid for providing power, including all of the infrastructure.  There is a guarnteed profit so that private investors will be encouraged to invest.  At present, the utility business is deregulated and no longer integrated.  You pay the distribution company, but the electrons may not come from the traditional generation resource.  The service is not just the electrons, it is the reliable delivery of same. 

This also makes sense given the trend in the utility business to do load balancing through storage rather than generation.  EV's are just another storage mechanism in the network. 

Also, since the utulity is able to avoid cost with extra generation at times of need with this type of scheme, they are happy to write that check.  They were going to anyway.

Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Good concept
Ann R. Thryft   12/28/2011 12:58:34 PM
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Jerry, thanks for those details. My square footage is about 5 times yours, so that's the big difference right there. I wish I owned the creek, that would make a great source of free power. We don't need AC here, but we do need heating in the winter. Your description of the veg oil-powered generator sounds intriguing. There are several local groups near me trying to implement that technology with distribution systems. But I have a big problem with the noise a generator makes, out here in the quiet woods. They need to be completely redesigned to address that issue.


Jack Rupert, PE
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Re: I dont even know where to start...
Jack Rupert, PE   12/26/2011 2:00:29 PM
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When I first started reading this artlcle, I was thinking that it "might" be a possibility for hybrids, such as a case where you have excess capity that was generated by gas-powered driving and so you would sell your "generated" energy to those that might need it.  As it stands, it looks like a losing proposition for the run-of-the-mill EV owner.  In addition, I wonder what type of stress the additional charge/discharge cycles are going to have on the life of the battery.  Even if you are selling the power back to the utility, will the spread be enough to cover your added costs?

Rob Spiegel
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Re: I dont even know where to start...
Rob Spiegel   12/23/2011 2:33:44 PM
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Hey, I like the idea of the wind turbine on the car, Tedbeau. You could also attach a solar panel. Then you wouldn't have to worry about the grid. Actually, though, employers could have chargers at work so employees could charge during work hours. Ah, who knows. This may take some time to work out.


tedbeau
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Re: I dont even know where to start...
tedbeau   12/23/2011 12:52:41 PM
Boy did you get that right. This has to be the stupidest thing I have heard of in a while.

Of course that means that the government will give someone millions of dollars to develop a system!

I can just imagine, I get home from work on Thursday, having driven my overpriced EV back and forth to work all week. I decide that since I havn't charged it since Sunday, and I have an impportant meeting first thing Friday morning I better charge the car. I plug in the car, eat dinner and go to bed. The sun sets, and the wind dies down. The grid now needs power so it drains my battery down to 30%. Since I have to get to work early Friday to get ready for this important meeting I leave work 1/2 an hour before sunup. Half way to work I notice that the charge indicator read 1%. The car than dies. I have to call a wrecker and a taxi. I am late for the meeting and get fired!

Don't these idiots realize that probably 75% of the people in the US would be charging their cars at night when solar in unavailable!

These guys should look at getting a sister grant to see if they can add a wind turbine to the car and charge it with wind while it drives! It makes as much sense!

 

 

 

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