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Ann R. Thryft
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Re: Are people going into the cloud?
Ann R. Thryft   12/16/2011 11:16:36 AM
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Thanks, TJ. I think it's so easy to get carried away with excitement about so much of this amazing technology we design, use, and write about, while forgetting what some of the implications can be. I think cloud storage is a great idea, but until I know it's safer than it is now, even if not quite FDIC-level safe, I'm not going there.


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TJ McDermott   12/15/2011 2:15:55 PM
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Data storage and cloud storage companies would eventually have to have something like the FDIC to back them up.  I don't see how though.  Money is money, but your data could be your life.

I like your points, Ann.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   12/15/2011 12:13:50 PM
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TJ, I've wondered exactly the same thing, which is one reason I haven't made the move yet to cloud storage. The other reasons are security and backup procedures. For the second, you have to assume that someone else's backup hardware is better than yours. Until those companies can give the assurances that banks do--i.e., their piggy bank is more secure than my under-mattress storage device and they are regulated by law to be so--I'm not biting. The first, security, is at least as important and I don't think that's been solved yet. My backup hardware is way more secure for my data than anyone else's, by definition.


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Re: Are people going into the cloud?
TJ McDermott   12/7/2011 9:06:54 PM
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I've wondered how much data I'd consume off a mobile data account.  The standard 2gb/month sometimes seems pretty constraining when working in the clouds.

Beth Stackpole
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Beth Stackpole   12/7/2011 7:03:02 AM
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Alex: It's not so much different variations of CAD--the CAD piece of this puzzle is staying put on the desktop because it really needs the processing and high-intensity graphics muscle (kind of like the stuff we've been talking about with mobile CAD) of local processing.

What is being migrated to the cloud are the broader elements of PLM platforms that are about the design processes before and after the designing and managing of CAD models. We're talking about requirements management, project managment and collaboration, supplier management, quality management and compliance, maintenance and field support. These are components of a closed-loop PLM system, but are more in keeping with traditional enterprise applications like ERP and supply chain management. Therefore, they are a more natural fit to serve up in the cloud to give companies the benefits without sacrificing performance.

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Beth Stackpole   12/7/2011 6:57:15 AM
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Most enterprise software is offered in the cloud in some form, but PLM has been slow to move in that direction because there are concerns about keeping critical product development intellectual property outside of a company's own security and network infrastructure. As cloud software becomes more commonplace in other areas of the business, companies are becoming more open to the idea because of cost savings, as you all mention, both from the standpoint of paying for only what you use and because you don't have to invest in all the server and IT infrastructure to run and manage the software. Autodesk isn't the first to embrace the cloud--Arena Solutions is a small PLM player which has been doing this from the getgo and Dassault recently made it own big move in the cloud. In addition, many of the CAD/PLM companies will implement their software in a private cloud if that's how customers want to deploy it.

 

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Charles Murray   12/6/2011 10:23:06 PM
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I'm curious, Beth: Did users and competitors expect PLM to be available through the cloud? Has anyone else done this in the past?

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Alexander Wolfe   12/6/2011 2:52:36 PM
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We've talked about this before -- the delicate dance done by companies like Autodesk, which need to serve the demands of their customer bases, without slitted their own corporate throats when it comes to undercutting their very lucrative streams of per-seat licenses. Seems like Autodesk has developed a savvy strategy here, by putting different levels of functionality in different places. (Different CAD strokes for different access modes?)

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Rob Spiegel   12/6/2011 2:35:11 PM
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Interesting. So the cloud services are available to existing customers who have the software resident internally. I would imagine the cloud services still come with cost savings since, presumably, users can access the extra services in the cloud at a lower cost than if they loaded the extras internally. Or, are the cloud services only available through the cloud?

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Beth Stackpole   12/6/2011 1:45:53 PM
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What's really interesting about Autodesk 360 is that Autodesk didn't put what many consider the primary foundation of PLM--the core Product Data Management system--in the cloud, but rather is using cloud technology to serve up all the  applications and processes related to a product's full lifecycle. That's critical because companies are not going to want to put their core product IP in the cloud--they'll have huge reservations around security, whether warranted or not. But they might be comfortable using project management, collaboration, requirements management, new product introduction modules, quality and service, etc. as cloud-based software given that they already tap the cloud for core enterprise systems like ERP and CRM.

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