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EyeDrMike
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Re: regen braking efficiency
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 3:11:38 AM
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Panic stops are not using regen braking that efficiently: they are primarily making use of the friction brakes.  

EyeDrMike
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Re: Heat Damage When Riding Regen-Brakes?
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 3:04:27 AM
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The Volt battery pack has active liquid cooling. the battery fire you refer to was due to loss of coolant and it happened 3 weeks after it was crushed (and would not have occured at all had protocol been observed). I am not concerned in the LEAST about the safety of the battery. I am much more concerned about the 9 gallons of hydrocarbon incendiary fuel sitting in the tank. 

 

I am assuming that the battery explosion you were injured in was a FLA battery? the main by products of over-charging a lead-acid battery are heat and hydrogen. not a really good combination.

EyeDrMike
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Re: Heat Damage When Riding Regen-Brakes?
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 2:56:03 AM
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"Normal" brakes get hot because all of the braking energy is friction generated heat. regenerative braking uses the drag created when a motor is turned into a generator. If you've ever ridden a bicycle with a tire generator on it, then switched on the lights and felt the increased drag you would know exactly what I mean.

 

In the VOlt, the battery and battery charging electronics are all actively liquid cooled, so yes, the engineers thought of it. 

EyeDrMike
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Re: Chevy volt reg breaking
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 2:51:21 AM
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Point one: You are mistaken. The Volt does NOT try to keep the battery full. It depletes to the switchover point and then maintains that level, having used approximately 60% of the 16 kWh capacity. there is plenty of headroom to absorb regenerative braking charge.

 

Point two: again mistaken: You said "Regeneration is most effective in city driving and only when the car is driven agressively. Fast and hard acceleration takes from the battery leaving room to regenerate. This is why the Prias and Volt have good MPG numbers for the city driving circuit."

This is incorrect. regeneration is best when NOT driven aggressively because the harder you brake the more you get into the friction brakes and bleed off the energy as heat. additionally, the Volt does not try to keep the battery full. It is not a hybrid in the same ilk as a Prius that tries to maintain a full battery. it is pure electric until the charge is dropped by 10 kWh and then that battery level is maintained. 

You are off the mark on why Prius and Volt get good fuel economy in the city: they are extremely efficient at low speeds and stop-start compared to straight ICE vehicles because electric motors deliver maximum torque instantly, hence good acceleration with very low power off the line, and then recapture of electricity on braking

EyeDrMike
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Re: Regenerative charge cycle vs. battery chemisty
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 2:38:35 AM
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The Volt has an incredibly sophisticated charge and climate management system: one that continually monitors the 288 cells several times a second and balances the individual charge as the battery is being recharged. In addition, the battery pack has an ACTIVE liquid climate control system to hold the battery temperature within a specific optimal temperature range.

 

When driving the Volt in D, the accelerator pedal "lift-off" feel is indistinguishable from driving an ICE vehicle with an automatic transmission when you lift your foot. It coasts!  However, in L it feels like you downshifted to 2nd or 3rd (in a 3 speed or 4 speed tranny)

EyeDrMike
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Re: Regenerative Braking
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 2:31:44 AM
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Bill, the Volt, like the Prius, has a dual braking system. Under most conditions, you are using regenerative braking, but in panic stops and below about 5 mph it switches to the friction brakes. With 10,300 miles on mine, the friction brake rotors still have the factory machining marks. The batteries are not a waste concern: they are expected to be able to power the cars reliably for a decade or more, and after their capacity falls below 70% of nominal they are going to be repurposed as storage devices for solar, wind, and Smart Grid systems. after they are no longer useful for these purposes (~40 years) the materials are 95% recyclable.

EyeDrMike
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Re: Battery capacity for recovered energy
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 2:22:41 AM
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The regen braking does not deliver enough energy to the battery to overcharge it. There is a kWh used meter on the display, and I have seen the displayed number decrease in long downhill coasting, but only 1 to 3 TENTHS of a kWh. It is conceivable that you could pick up a lot more in a long drop on mountainous roads, but unless you started at the top with a full charge it is not likely that you would knock on the charge-limiter.

The Volt depletes ~10 kWh of charge before the ICE generator kicks in, and it does not REcharge the battery, it simply maintains the battery at the level it is at when switchover occurs

EyeDrMike
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Re: Squishy brakes
EyeDrMike   7/13/2012 2:16:50 AM
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I found quite the opposite. I traded my 2006 Cadillac CTS for a 2012 Chevy Volt 7 months ago. I have put 10,300 miles on it since then, and in D the effect seems to be almost no drag at all compared to the Caddy with an automatic tranny. In L it definitely feels like driving a manual tranny car. 

Jack Rupert, PE
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Re: Regenerative Braking
Jack Rupert, PE   11/27/2011 3:22:37 PM
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Great article!  Coming from the off-highway electric machine world, regen braking has been part of my world for a long time.  It's good to see it being used in the "closed system" of the new electric cars.

Charles Murray
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Re: Squishy brakes
Charles Murray   11/15/2011 3:45:33 PM
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Great article, John. There's never a feel of "free-wheeling" when you let your foot off the Volt's accelerator. There's always a slight feeling of drag.

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