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ferd
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Re: Back to the future
ferd   11/3/2011 10:54:17 AM
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Kit car companies have loopholes to allow them to circumvent today's vehicle safety and emissions (et. al.) laws.  Need to verify, but I think that they are limited to selling no more than 5000 vehicles per year.  They are held to the automotive standards that existed during the year that the car represents (such as 1965 for a lot of the Cobra kit cars), but that can be over-ridden by State laws.  “New” is a grey area, since how do you classify a newly constructed Cobra kit car that might loosely look like a 1965 model but has much newer technology under its skin?  Another loophole is that the kit car companies are selling parts for individuals to assemble, not complete cars.  So they pass the risk onto their customers.

Usually if the cars are modified existing (titled) cars then State laws prevail.  So it is possible to legally sell converted 1980s DeLoreans in small numbers, subject to dealing with licensing differences in each State.  Probably okay for a small company with small goals, but not practical for major automakers who want to sell tens of thousands across the whole country.

 

John
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Stainless a horrible idea?
John   11/3/2011 8:58:43 AM
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If you find a body repair shop that will weld anything on the body of your new car, then give me there name and number.  It's virtually impossible to find a body shop that doesn't want to just unbolt and replace. 

melllowfelllow
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Re: Back to the future
melllowfelllow   11/2/2011 4:40:18 PM
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Assuming this is the whole story...

"Under Federal law, 49 U.S.C. 30112(a), a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, or introduce in *_interstate_* commerce any vehicle that does not comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) in effect at the time of the assembly of the vehicle.  The manufacturer would also have to certify compliance with all applicable FMVSS."

I guess that they will have to limit the sales to Texans and Texas dealerships.


Watashi
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Re: Back to the future
Watashi   11/2/2011 9:41:27 AM
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I don't mean to say you are wrong, but there must be a loophole that allows outfits like Classic Recreations to operate.  They remanufacture and sell vintage mustangs that do not conform to new car rules.

I do know that a vehicle can be assembled from junk (i.e. two same car models with differenty damage pieced together) and titled within a state.  Once the car has been titled and registered in one state, it can then be sold just as any other used car, even to an owner in another state (interstate commerce). Perhaps this is just 'under the radar' so to speak (NHTSA doesn't have patrolmen).

I agree that people should be able to chose their own vehicle (or mode of death in some cases).  The NHSTC should be shut down.  Not only is it very questionable constitutionally, but the unaccountable drones in that agency are directly responsible for up to a third the price of a new vehicle. I fully support the free market even if that means ignoring the federal overlords.

MIROX
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Re: Back to the future
MIROX   11/2/2011 3:17:51 AM
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I have read this in the ited article:

"its executives fixed on the idea of using the parts in a new, electrically-powered version of the car. Plans are to build between 350 and 400 electric DeLoreans, based on the company's current inventory of parts."

Perhaps in other "English" new has different meanings but in USA if car is NEW, it is new no two ways bout it !

Even if you build it from a stash of "old never before assembled parts" exactly what Mr. Shelby did years ago with two cars, and California court sent him packing out of CA as a part of suspended sentence that would have put him in Jail for 5 years if he did not ! (and that was only after team of lawyers was paid $$$$$$$)

(One reason Shelby is in Las Vegas now).

Even if you produce a vehicle in "series of one" and even if it is "re-manufactured" the law is very simple:

"Under Federal law, 49 U.S.C. 30112(a), a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, or introduce in interstate commerce any vehicle that does not comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) in effect at the time of the assembly of the vehicle.  The manufacturer would also have to certify compliance with all applicable FMVSS."

But hey that does not stop FORD from offering 1964 FORD MUSTANG "original" licensed copy to those that really want to break the law, as it is nothing more than sheat mettal (just introduced today at SEMA in Las Vegas).

FOr one I do not make the laws just make other people aware of them, personally I strongly believe that two weel motorcycles should be outlawed if NHTSA really cared about saving even a single life - after all you are 45 times more likely to die in a motorcycle accident than in a car !!!

And I agree that people if they like to commit vehicular suicide should be able to procure vehicle other than motorcycle to do it in....

But again that is my opinion

But the fact that a new vehicle (any vehicle) MUST satisfy ALL the applicable FMVSS as of date of manufacture, if it was not so TATA would be selling NANO for $3,000 in USA already they only have 150,000 units unused anual capacity for it in India.

Watashi
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Re: Back to the future
Watashi   11/1/2011 5:42:07 PM
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MIROX-

You may want to re-read the article. There is no new production; they are rebuilding the old stock (i.e 1980's rules).  It is the only way that it could work.  Too bad they arn't just rebuilding them to original and spending the extra money to get them to work for a change!

William K.
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DeLorean electric car.
William K.   11/1/2011 4:44:48 PM
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I wish them luck on this venture. The beauty of a car is in the owners eyes, and if some folks want to spend that kind of money on a car that is fine, as long as it is not my money being spent.

Half the fun of owning it is being the one who owns it. So don't be critical until you own one and drive it a while.

It is simple and easy to make paint adhere to brushed stainless with an absolute "death grip". All that has to happen is accidently spill an ugly color on it, and the paint will remain for a long time. Not eternity, but tens of years. The expolanation of just how I know that is a very sad tale indeed.

sensor pro
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DeLorean Rolls out electric car
sensor pro   11/1/2011 3:42:11 PM
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This is the clear case of nostalgia. lets bring an old failed product wraped in a
"green" modern slogan and rob more buyers.

I know it is abot strong, but in my opinion, true.

melllowfelllow
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Re: Back to the future
melllowfelllow   11/1/2011 2:42:30 PM
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Oh, another example of the busy-bodies and gestapo ''Rule Makers''. I am personally offended by this nonsense. Given a statement of conformance or nonconformance, I _should_ be able to make a free choice of ''to buy'' or ''not to buy'' a modified 1980s motor vehicle. But, things are not as they should be so I am sure that busy-bodies and bureaucrats will do their part to thwart the efforts of yet another business.

ssco00
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Re: Many changes needed
ssco00   11/1/2011 1:57:52 PM
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Does everyone forget or did not all that many read it at the time.  The car was not built of stainless steel but with fiberglass panels covered with a thin stainless steel foil for that nice bright metallic look and no painting.  It would be difficult to get paint to adhere to the stainless steel.  

I don't know about very limited production specialty items, but any real production automobile would have to be built to the safety standards in effect for the year of manufacture.  Perhaps given that these are origional parts made for cars certified years ago, a good lawyer with the right connections may be able to get them grandfathered into the old standards.  That would be fine for the manufacturer but less so for the vehicle occupants.  

Where I live, solar recharging can be quite practical, but without a range of 60 to 100 miles, at freeway speeds, with A/C running in 110+ degree temperatures and no shade, it still wouldn't be useful for me.  For the time being, a tank of liquid fuel is still the only practical way to carry the necessary energy for travel.  People in Sun City can do fine with an electric golf cart to take them from their 55+ condo to the senior center, shopping center, and golf course.  Unfortunately, many of them would not be able to get in and out of a DeLorean.

 

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