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sensor pro
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resisting CER
sensor pro   9/19/2011 11:45:36 AM
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Regulations regulations regulations. One day we will just not have anything to regulate. I feel that CER are wrong. enough with regulating. Lets us produce something, otherwise it is China again.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: resisting CER
Rob Spiegel   9/19/2011 11:51:26 AM
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Yes, good point. What the Consumer Electronics Association is saying is that the industry is making energy efficeincy advances that haven't been recognized, and that much of what the regulators are trying to achieve is already occurring organically.

sensor pro
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Re: resisting CER
sensor pro   9/19/2011 12:01:26 PM
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Yes, it is like one hand does not know that the other one is doing, and both are cutting the head off.

Jack Rupert, PE
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Re: resisting CER
Jack Rupert, PE   9/19/2011 12:34:21 PM
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It's amazing that with the business climate / economy in the dumps that anybody would consider adding addtional regulation, which results in more costs for everybody involved.  If this is something that needs to be discussed and weighed, fine, but start the discussions after the immediate mess is solved.

sensor pro
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Re: resisting CER
sensor pro   9/19/2011 12:52:14 PM
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This is typical. They just take something that works and look for ways to screw it.

We just have too many bureaucrats that have absolutely nothing to do and thay look to make themselves feel important.

William K.
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Resisting california energy regulations
William K.   9/19/2011 7:15:11 PM
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The situation is that the individuals making up all of these rules lack any sort of practical technical background, and that many of the decisions appear to be based only on emotions. Of course, that is to be expected in an area where things are "all about the experience".

The real tragedy is that industry does not have an effective means to challenge these rulemakers. The best challenge would have been if the auto comanies had all refused to produce cars meeting the original emmisions requirements, and all of the natives had been unable to purchase new cars. That would have forced the issue to a point where the votors could make a rational decision. Unfortunately, nobody was willing to stand up to the challenge, mostly because that state is a large market. Almost like caving in to a schoolyard bully, wasn't it?

Now comes the energy star, and instead of rationality we have jumps in requirements and all sorts of hoops to leap through, and not a lot of rational reason behind the regulations.

Baldrick
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Re: resisting CER
Baldrick   9/19/2011 7:24:07 PM
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Many other countries are now mandating minimum energy efficiency standards (EU, China, Japan etc) that are well above those contemplated for the US. So what does this mean for US design and manufacturing? Any product designed for the US market cannot be sold in many other countries. This would give a competitive advantage to Taiwan, China, Japan & Korea, as they would be the leading edge design and manufacturing countries. The US would become the dumping ground for old junk that can’t be sold to the rest of the world.

 

Its sad to see a once great nation sinking into complacency and irrelevance, you can’t lead from the rear.

TJ McDermott
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Acronyms
TJ McDermott   9/20/2011 12:13:57 AM
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Rob, thank you for properly defining the acronyms at the beginning of your article.  At the end, "The CEA urged the CEC..." sounded like Robin Williams in "Good Morning Vietnam", keeping the VP's visit on the QT from the VC...

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

How much of an increase in efficiency is the CEC asking?  Is it a quantum leap, or an evolutionary increment?

smpedi
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Re: resisting CER
smpedi   9/20/2011 9:55:17 AM
This comment reminds me of a story my father told me circa 1985 in which an EPA regulator instisted that the EPA would no longer tolerate their lax management of wastewater exiting the plant.  He would no longer allow them to get away with a PH of 7, and would require them to attain PH 0.  The history of techno-morons in government is long. 

oldguywithtoys
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Re: Acronyms
oldguywithtoys   9/20/2011 10:52:27 AM
It's bad enough for bureaucrats to set an arbitrary requirement.  Too often they try to dictate the means one must use to meet it.  When muliple bureacracies claim jurisdiction over an activity, regulations from one agency sometimes contradict those of another. 

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