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RE: Maytag DW and front control board
BobGroh   8/31/2011 11:38:30 AM
My daughter's new'ish (about 3 yrs old) Maytag DW had exactly the same thing happen and a quick internet search squarely pointed out the front panel board as being the most likely culprit. Buying and replacing the front panel assembly fixed the problem.  I am strongly recommending they keep the old assembly based on your analysis - I'll have to take a look at it and see what the contact tails look like. There are a number of sprayon products out there in the hifi world for fixing and improving contacts and that will be the next step.  At least they were easily able to do the repair themselves so the repair only cost them the panel replacement cost.

It is tragic that Maytag (actually Whirlpool now) does NOT track these problems and owe up to them. If you can't do the job right (e.g. track your problems and have your engineers work on solutions) then maybe you should be in the business.

Of course, Maytag is no longer in the business (as least as a separate entity). I am somewhat ashamed that a good old US company such as Whirlpool has not stepped up to the plate but the financial pressures are enormous and the bean counter/product manager is supreme. Sigh.

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RE: Maytag DW and front control board
Jack Rupert, PE   8/31/2011 12:31:25 PM
After seeing this post, I start to wonder about the article that was posted a day or two ago about a Korean design firm making a cool dishwasher / sink combo.  If they've got the same monkeys doing the final implementation, you won't be able to do your dishes by hand either.

Rob Spiegel
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Appliances are the Cars of the 80s
Rob Spiegel   8/31/2011 2:08:43 PM
Looks like large U.S. branded appliances are going through a period much like the U.S auto industry in the late 70s and 80s -- a huge drop in quality. The only difference is there is no Japan to pick up the slack and give consumers an alternative. Germany is to some degree. Without some strong competitive from appliance makers who are delivering goods and hold up, this may problem not right itself.

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wcrise   9/1/2011 9:29:03 AM
The average American decries how we are sending jobs overseas and the poor "Made in China" quality. It is unfortunate that in many cases, we cannot pass the buck to the manufacturer, but have to follow the trail back here to the design center.  This is just one of the reasons cost of consumer goods is skyrocketing; poor design leading to multiple repairs.  You would think the manufacturer would be concerned with their reputation, but apparently not.

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Connector Issues
RonSparky   9/1/2011 10:21:44 AM

Issues of connector corrosion are nothing new. Years ago I was working with industrial power coming into our plant on power lines exposed to the elements. One of the things that we had to do was use a special grease to prevent galvanic corrosion when hooking up aluminum and copper cables together. It worked great. I have since used a similar grease (available at hardware stores) to prevent exactly this type of problem. Cost isn’t much of an issue since the amount to protect the contacts in this dishwasher could be applied with a toothpick.


Now if we could get the appliance manufacturers to use this type of product on exposed connections they could cut their service calls dramatically.

Noor Khalsa
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Noor Khalsa   9/1/2011 10:26:35 AM
If you don't order a pile of spare keypads while you can, you'll be stuck like me with an otherwise  perfectly good appliace but no keypad avaiable for it. In my case, a GE Microwave oven that's headed for the landfill. I really did try to buy American. Next time, that's not going to be at the top of my list - I just want quality.

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Whirlpool not the way to go
electronic engineer   9/1/2011 10:30:48 AM
The keyboard issue shows how corporate america does not care about quality. I had the same problem. Solution, the traces 'grow' whiskers between the conductors. Under a microscope just cut the whiskers with and exacto, place some nail polish on it and it works like a charm.

It is a manufacturing defect but whirlpool will not admit it.

I bought a new whirlpool dryer, it took the service man 7 tries to fix it. 2 blower wheels, 2 motors later it finnaly worked.

The whirlpool  washing machine broke 3 days after it was delivered! Oil ran out of the gear box all over the floor, I bought the 3 year service plan in month 11. The service man came back 2 times a year to fix something on it. Now there is no low agitation. time to buy a korean made washer.

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Re: Connector Issues
OLD_CURMUDGEON   9/1/2011 10:32:56 AM
Ever since copper wiring products became pricey during the Viet Nam conflict, and aluminum wire became the substitute, there has been a product distributed by IDEAL Industries, called NOALOX.  It is a corrosion inhibitor grease to be used when connecting aluminum cable to terminals, regardless of wire gauge.  It is available in many places .... electrical supply outlets, LOWES, HOME DEPOT, etc. from small tubes to large containers. 

IF the terminations of the flex circuit are solderable, maybe a low-wattage iron and small small diameter flux (rosin) core (electronic grade) solder would eliminate the oxidation problem.  However, one MUST be very careful, and it would be imperative to immediately wipe off any excess solder buildup on the individual points.  This would be a solution ONLY for those adept w/ soldering techniques.

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Good Design Practices
chuck333   9/1/2011 10:39:15 AM
Where did the product life cycle and stress testing go? Do engineering groups still do this with new products? That has been part of the design and verification process in my company for decades. Many of the flaws mentioned here would have easily been discovered and could have been resolved.

Jim S
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Re: Whirlpool not the way to go
Jim S   9/1/2011 11:37:21 AM
I had the same membrane switch problem on a new Samsung Dryer. It never ran and took more than 2 weeks to get the part in and have it fixed. I think poor quality is universal. I think bean counters don't care about quality. The original problem with the dishwasher could be solved with a liberal coat of silicon dielectric grease after the connector is seated. It's available at auto supply stores.

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