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Video: Harley Road Tests Electric Hog

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NadineJ
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NadineJ   6/30/2014 10:56:44 PM
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@Nancy - I completely agree with you.  My comment on innovation is a general one. 

HD hasn't been creative in a long time.  Mediocre design but good marketing, to your point, they need to broaden their appeal beyond baby boomers.

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AnandY   6/28/2014 5:59:35 AM
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HD is doing a magnificent thing by introducing the electric motorcycle. This will be a big step in expanding it market niche to a younger group, meaning more buyers and more profits. This will definitely improve things for HD and help make their products more marketable than they have been all those years. This technology not only boosts technological growth it helps in preservation of the environment since the machine is environmental friendly. No pollution occurs.

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Shadetree Engineer   6/27/2014 4:40:44 AM
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Yes, and Harley decided a while back that they just couldn't afford to sell any more Buell's in a slow market, so they shut that production line down and deep-sixed the brand name. But look at these new 500's & 750's they suddenly brought out! I don't know, maybe Harley can finally multitask totally differnt bike markets. They have been making a few smart decisions in the last 20 years. Their bikes finally don't leak oil right off the showroom floor for example. Credit that to Harley finally admitting they need to hire an engineer to design gaskets & o-ring seals. Harley's biggest problem is their own fans. The electric bike looks like it works very well, but personally I would like to see a lot less weight and minimal techno-wizardry. The touch-screen dashboard isn't really what I would want on a bike. I'd rather have some digital air-core driven gauges with real indicator needles that you can see no matter how brightly the sun shines. - nitpicking, I know...

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Nancy Golden   6/26/2014 11:04:42 PM
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Nadine, my point was not innovation - just that they do have the ability to change which some companies are unable to do. Being able to follow this trend and others are what may make them able to survive as a company as their original niche audience gets older and smaller.

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Re: Harley Sound
NadineJ   6/26/2014 10:49:12 PM
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@Nancy - Harley has a sound trademark on the engine roar.  Thet are very protective of it.

Harley makes good bikes but they are not innovators.  They are definitely followers on this trend.

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Re: Very unexpected
NadineJ   6/26/2014 10:45:33 PM
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@Shadetree engineer - Harley owns Buell.

Nancy Golden
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Harley Sound
Nancy Golden   6/26/2014 10:11:16 PM
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For anyone that may be wondering what some of our fellow posters are talking about who have not heard one: Harley Sound

It is quite iconic and while for many of us it does not sound pleasant - to many an HD afficiando it is music to their ears. The electric hog is in a completely different class with a different target audience. It may mean the survival of HD in the future since it shows they are able to break old paradigms and move with the times.

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Charles Murray   6/26/2014 5:32:40 PM
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I have to admit I've noticed that same age-related phenomenon, bronorb. I frequently drive down U.S. 20 in northern Illinois, and it's loaded with bikers in spring, summer and fall. Whether the manufacturer is H-D or some other, there's a noticeable graying of the customer.  

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Shadetree Engineer   6/26/2014 5:13:26 PM
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I ride, I've done so most of my life. But I have never been all that interested in the traditional Harley. So I think my point of view will be more like the market Harley wants to get into. My initial reaction on seeing this electric bike? It should've been a Buell! For some perspective on what Harley wants for the future, take a look at how the Brammo company has managed to arrange to sell electric bikes at Best Buy stores. A very important way to look at Project Livewire relates to how all the other electric bike manufacturers have been doing so far. And so far, the electric bike market is still not really here. Nobody is running a production line of such bikes, they are all either built to order or are hand-made protypes that only exist on computers. The most significant change that Harley can bring to such a bike market is getting some serious production into motion. As for putting the Harley name on that sort of bike, well that could be a gray area! Harley has already started to break out, by selling 500 & 750 sized bikes made in india & assembled in the US. The Livewire protypes will use lithium-ion batteries that are estimated to weigh 250 lbs. So to counter that weight, the Harley engineers developed a perimeter frame that is cast aluminum weighing just 14lbs. The range is only 53 miles, but that could depend on last minute changes to the pack design. It takes 3.5 hours to charge the 53 mile pack, from a 220 volt mains outlet. Keep in mind, this is just a testbed, so it's not necessarily going to be under-powered like a mas-production model might be. The electric motor is a 3-phase AC induction design that has been rated for 74 Hp & 52 Ft-Lbs. Top speed is governed at 92MPH.  I would expect an opportunity for a little software hacking to bump-up the horsepower and get rid of the governor. One of their really smart moves with this project is bringing in engineers from Mission Motors, to help design the motor controller. In fact, if you look at the main portal that Harley has launched, you will see a request for any EV engineers who would like to work for Harley. Any college grads looking for EV careers?

Pubudu
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Re: Very unexpected
Pubudu   6/26/2014 12:48:41 PM
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Very true Elizabeth, Harleys is truly an icon which has been developed over the long period of time. I believe that it should be maintain the iconic design and the beat (Sound) even thou it moves to electric era, in order to maintain the status of it. 

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