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'Incompetence & Neglect' in GM Recall

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Re: Too many Bells and Whistles
j-allen   6/9/2014 9:43:56 AM
Cmwiley,   You make an excellent point.  I, too, wish auto makers competed on the basis of efficiency, reliability, suribility, and (very important) servicability.  This is especially true now that resources are becoming depleted and people keep their cars longer. 

Let's remember, though, that in this instance drivers added to the problem by hanging half a pound of crap on their keyrings.  Not too smart. 

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yes, silos
RogueMoon   6/9/2014 9:10:50 AM
I think you just hit on the heart of the matter, NaperLou.

silos exist because of the actual or percieved need for information.  it can't be an informational Nirvana if there is a restriction on the access to information.  Who decides need and authorization?  It's this very question that creates a silo. 

It's harder to conceal malfeasance if every person in the company has the access to uncover it.

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Too many Bells and Whistles
cmwiley2   6/9/2014 9:08:15 AM
It's a lock!  We've been making them since the middle ages and we haven't perfected this mechanism yet?  Not really.  It's a sign of what the auto manufacturers have been doing to us for years...over designing and putting a bunch of crap and features in a car that do not help us get from point A to point B.  I work by the rule of KISS or Keep it Simple Stupid!  Simplify the car and strip off all the extraneous features that do nothing but jack the price of the car and then break, which then leads us to a $500 trip to the dealer. These are cars, not Christmas trees, stop hanging all the BS on them.  Do we really need a vacuum cleaner added on as a Standard feature???? 

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Re: No coverup?
ttemple   6/9/2014 8:18:49 AM
If they saved pennies on the whole assembly, it would have justified speding tens of thousands of dollars.  For every million units manufactured, one penny = $10,000

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Re: No coverup?
tekochip   6/8/2014 12:23:05 PM
You got to wonder why Delphi just up and decided to spend Engineering resources in making a change like that, and then spend manufcaturing resources retooling what should have been a finished product. 

Odds are Delphi spent tens of thousands of dollars because their customer asked them to or because they also feared litigation.

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Re: No coverup?
Charles Murray   6/6/2014 3:45:03 PM
The part came from Delphi Mechatronics. As I understand it, tekochip, GM signed off on the changes, but said that they were unaware of any torque performance changes because the new part still had the old part number.

See paragraph 9 in the attached link.



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Re: No coverup?
tekochip   6/6/2014 12:18:49 PM
My concern is that the lock assembly was changed but that the part number was not.  That sounds like an ISO violation in order to cover their tracks.

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naperlou   6/6/2014 9:33:52 AM
Chuck, the report mentions "silos".  Almost any company runs in "silos".  In over 25 years in the software business, I have seen this everywhere.  Is this a reason for a problem like this?  I think not. 

The Nirvana for information is a repository that is accessible to everyone (who has need and authorization).  This is almost never realized in practice, for many reasons.  Of course, this is great for the consulting business. 

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No coverup?
GTOlover   6/6/2014 9:20:50 AM
So a report commissioned by GM, headed by a former government DOJ (same government that bailed out GM) found no cover up or corporate malfeasence. Am I the only one that wonders about the conflict of interest in this?

It is always easy for the corporate jack-boots to blame the employees and then fire a few people. But what is never discussed is the entire organization geared to screw the little guy by cutting costs and forcing price reductions onto suppliers. Then they investigate and find 'Incompetence and Neglect'. Gee I wonder why?

Oh well, seems to fit the current political climate of this country. Blame Bush, blame global warming, blame the Tea party, blame anyone but me!

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