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New Standard Will Cut EV Charging Time

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Rob Spiegel
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Standard with big results
Rob Spiegel   10/24/2012 6:04:40 AM
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Nice story, Chuck. It's amazing that the change in a standard would have that big an effect on charging hybrids and EVs. Makes you wonder why it took so long, especially on a feature that has such impact on hybrid and EV owners. This standard means you could actually take a trip with an EV.

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Beth Stackpole   10/24/2012 7:53:05 AM
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Definitely an important development and I, too, wonder what took so long. But then again, everything seems to take long in this segment of the market.

Also confusing to me is why does this have impact on commercial and public charging stations, but not for home use? Is it something to do with the voltage and residential infrastructure. Seems to me they'd want to address that.

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gubbin   10/24/2012 10:06:17 AM
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Unfortunately, SAE took so long to release the standard that the West Coast charger network had to opt for the existing Japanese ChaDeMo DCFC standard, already supported by the Nissan Leaf.

And, of course, China, Renault and Tesla have come up with their own standards as well.

And have you SEEN ChaDeMo and J1772-DC connectors?  They're huge!

Unless there's an easy migration route from ChaDeMo to J1772-DC or some pressure to migrate to one of the smaller proprietary connections, we're in for a whole new VHS-Beta-Videodisc-style format war.

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naperlou   10/24/2012 10:13:49 AM
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Beth, I think that the issue with using this standard for home use is the current draw.  Typical service to a home is 200A.  This would use as much.  I guess if you were willing to turn off everything in your home then you could use it.  It is not only what is in your home that matters, but the infrastructure serving it.  This would require a big upgrade in that.  Commercial locations will have new infrastructure, thus will be able to deal with the current draw.

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Rob Spiegel   10/24/2012 10:39:29 AM
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Beth, my guess is right about the voltage in the home. I think the important part of this development is that it could free the EV to travel beyond short trips from the home. Waiting 10 or 20 minutes at a public charging station is not that inconvenient.

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Rob Spiegel   10/24/2012 10:57:47 AM
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A Beta VHS war would be a nightmare for the public charging world. I would think that war would be expensive all the way around.

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Charles Murray   10/24/2012 6:09:59 PM
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Most homes have single-phase AC, Beth, which won't cut it for fast charging. Fast charging requires three-phase AC (and the associated higher voltages and currents), which is typically used in industrial applications today. In contrast, today's home-charging systems usually use single-phase AC at 120V and 15A (about 16 hours or less) or single-phase AC at 240V and 15A (about 8 hours or less). SAE's new standard calls for up to 200A and up to 500V. Making those modifications to a home would be very expensive.

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Charles Murray   10/24/2012 6:16:54 PM
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I asked the same question about why it took so long, Rob. Their answer is a logical one. Getting a consensus of 190 technical specialists is difficult. That reason apparently didn't stop the ChaDeMo standard, however.

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Rob Spiegel   10/25/2012 5:19:04 AM
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At the Siemens conferece, I heard of another solution to help EVs travel farther than short trips -- battery swaps. You pull into a station and they take your battery and replace it with a charged one. Apparently this is more common outside the U.S.

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Beth Stackpole   10/25/2012 7:19:46 AM
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A Better Place, a company formed by ex-SAP exec Shai Agassi, is one of the more prominent companies pursuing the battery swap model. They are pilot testing their changing station network in Israel and have plans to expand in Europe and China, but I don't believe the U.S. is on board quite yet.

 

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