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naperlou
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Supply chain risks
naperlou   5/14/2012 10:14:21 AM
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This situation shows that there are real risks in the global supply chain.  While this global supply may be effecient due to scale, there are many possibilities for disruption.  I would have throght that the consumers of these materials would have plans in place before something like this  happens. 

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Ann R. Thryft   5/14/2012 1:04:04 PM
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naperlou, I was surprised to discover that the industry could go through such a shakeup when only one supplier went offline. Apparently, DuPont and others have already been working on replacements for awhile, as the supply has been tightening due to increased demand from other industries: solar and oil/gas.

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TJ McDermott   5/15/2012 1:49:05 AM
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Naperlou, the problem has cropped up repeatedly in the last 10 years.  Two manufacturers in Japan represented a 25% loss of global silicon wafer production after the Earthquake.

The world is WAY too dependent on silicon wafers to tolerate that.  The same applies to plastics.

JIT supply chains may be efficient, but only if the supply chain is guaranteed.  It is not damage tolerant at all.

Engineers need to take a stronger stand proving this to the accounting department.

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Ann R. Thryft   5/16/2012 5:52:00 PM
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TJ, thanks for that comment. I was surprised to learn what a big market share Evonik had, and therefore what a big effect it could have when its plant went offline. I suspect the picture will look pretty different in the next few months.

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Scott Orlosky   5/19/2012 5:40:46 PM
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Interesting to see how supply chains hold up to stress, no doubt about it.  As they say, if you're going to put all of your eggs in one basket - then watch that basket!  It begs the question as to whether the problem is a supply chain without any breadth of suppliers, or a supply chain in which the suppliers have too much risk.  I haven't heard anything about the results of the investigation into the fire in the first place, which might be where the tru problem lies.

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Timely topic
Dave Palmer   5/14/2012 1:27:46 PM
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@Ann: Thanks for this informative article on a timely topic.  I had heard that Evonik provided feedstock for as much as 80% of the nylon-12 supply, not 40%, as the article states.  Of course, even 40% represents many tens of thousands of tons.  It's no exaggeration to say that everyone is scrambling for an alternative.

I'm a little surprised you didn't mention Arkema's Rilsan nylon-11, which is based on castor oil and which you covered in an article a couple of months ago.  According to that article, it is already being used in fuel line applications.

Schulman's Schulamid nylon-6,12 is another product worth mentioning.  It's not renewably sourced, but could potentially be a drop-in replacement for nylon-12 in extruded hoses.

The fact that the industry was able to pull together through AIAG and come up with a common test strategy was a major accomplishment.

It will be interesting to see if any of the substitute materials catch on in the long run, or if everyone will go back to nylon-12 as soon as it becomes available again.  There is certainly a potential for long-term use of renewably sourced plastics to increase as a result of this situtation.  It all depends on how well they perform and how much they cost.

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Ann R. Thryft   5/14/2012 1:44:55 PM
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Dave, thanks for your input. The 40% figure comes from ICIS, the major industry market analyst, so I tend to believe them:
http://www.icis.com/Articles/2012/04/30/9554265/news-focus-producers-scramble-to-provide-polyamide-12-alternatives-for-auto.html
I agree that it will be very interesting to see if using replacements--and specifically bio-plastic replacements--will continue after the supply of nylon 12 comes back up.
There are many other possible replacement products, including Arkema's, but the purpose of the article was not to give a detailed list of alternatives: that's been well covered already in the plastics vertical media and by ICIS.

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Tim   5/15/2012 7:05:28 AM
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Production of nylon 12 monomer feed stock is extremely difficult and expensive to complete on a large scale.  The alternative plans of Dupont and others were most likely completed years ago as an attempt to take market share from Evonik, but they were not cost feasible.  Now with end users scrambling to get some sort of alternative material, they are willing to pay a premium for the alternative material and the testing required to qualify it for use.

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Ann R. Thryft   5/15/2012 3:01:26 PM
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Tim, thanks for your input. As I reported, DuPont, among others, said that customers began asking for alternatives about two years ago when supply  began tightening due to increased demand from solar panel makers and the oil & gas industry. Suppliers may well have begun those efforts even earlier internally. However, the main crunch here is caused by the material's use in automotive manufacturing, where changes in materials do not occur or easily. 5,000 hours, or about 7 months, is the usual required time for testing a new material for fuel lines, the main class of parts affected. This has somehow been fast-tracked down to 3 or 4 weeks by the AIAG's action.

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Dave Palmer   5/15/2012 8:08:03 PM
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@Ann: Any word on how EPA is handling this with regard to permeation requirements? In our application, there is a barrier layer which is made out of PVDF, not nylon-12, and this barrier layer is not changing.   In our design, we rely mainly on this barrier layer (not the nylon-12 itself) to prevent permeation, so we don't expect any problems with EPA approval.  But what about in cases where there is no barrier layer?

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Ann R. Thryft   5/16/2012 1:11:04 PM
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Dave, EPA requirements were not discussed regarding replacement materials. That said, can you tell us more about the context for the barrier layer you mention? Are you referring to the multi-layer tubing mentioned in the article?

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Dave Palmer   5/16/2012 2:13:21 PM
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@Ann: Yes, I'm refering to multilayer tubing used for fuel lines.  The EPA has regulations regarding evaporative emissions for both automotive and non-automotive applications.  Hydrocarbons can permeate through plastic tubing and escape into the atmosphere.  It's important to limit this. (This is what our barrier layer does).

I'm not sure what the automotive requirement is, but the marine requirement is 15 grams per square meter per day maximum.  This is measured according to one of two SAE standards, depending on whether it is plastic or rubber hose.  However, since I'm not directly involved in regulatory compliance, I'm not sure exactly how this needs to be documented to EPA, or what the approval process is.

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Ann R. Thryft   5/16/2012 5:49:22 PM
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Thanks, Dave. Like I said, I've seen no mention of EPA requirements. Those could be part of the 5,000 hours of testing, or it might be something already done separately by the materials producers to meet their own automotive standards, since I doubt EPA approval could be achieved in the 3-4 week compressed schedules.

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