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Top Cars From 2012 New York International Auto Show
4/9/2012

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Honda's Indy Grand Prix car. This chassis first raced in 2006 and won the Toronto Indy in 2009.
Honda's Indy Grand Prix car. This chassis first raced in 2006 and won the Toronto Indy in 2009.

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Beth Stackpole
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A mix of old and new
Beth Stackpole   4/9/2012 8:15:08 AM
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Loved the spectrum of classic looks with the sci-fi look of some of the newer models. I have seen the redesigned, old, but new Charger around and I have to say, I like it better in the 2000s than I ever did in the `70s. As for the out-there looking cars, BMW's i3/i8 electric vehicles are pretty novel looking. Not sure I fully like the look, but I find with these aerodynamic body structures, it takes a bit of getting used to before you can fully appreciate the aesthetics.

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Re: A mix of old and new
naperlou   4/9/2012 9:47:47 AM
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Beth, yes, it is a very interesting mix of old and new.  Aerodynamics is back.  That is good.  Do you remember in the 80s when car manufacturers used to advertise their coefficient of drag?  Then we got SUVs. 

The Morgans are interesting.  I believe that the chasis is still wood.  Their is a long waiting list to get one. 

I think the new Dodge Dart is an Alfa Romeo sedan with a new skin.  If that is true it will be a great driving car.  I had an Alfa GTV (Gran Turisimo Veloce, or Grand Trouring Fast) when I lived in Europe at the turn of the millenium.  It was a great car.  This is my most anticipated result from the Chrysler/Fiat tie up.  Oh, and the Charger is great too.

I also liked the MV-1 taxi.  This looks a bit like the London taxis.  They are much easier to get in and out of and really are more practical than the beat up large sedans used in the US.

naperlou
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Electronic Content
naperlou   4/9/2012 10:07:15 AM
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Alex, you are right in your supposition that cars are becoming electronic platforms.  I heard a while ago that the manufacturer's cost was 1/3 powertrain, 1/3 chasis and 1/3 electronics.  Compare that to a few years ago.

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Mydesign   4/10/2012 6:26:24 AM
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Naperlous, you are right. Most of the mechanical and manual parts are getting replaced by electronic components and automations. I think in near future other than fuels, almost all functionalities may take place with the help of electronics.

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Alexander Wolfe   4/10/2012 8:22:06 AM
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Naperlou: Add 1/3 for repair costs and you've got yourself an equation. Doesn't work mathematically but kinda makes sense, at least for some brands.

naperlou
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naperlou   4/10/2012 8:48:33 AM
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Actually, Alex, that about covers it.  The car will cost 1 and 1/3 what you pay for it at the dealer.  Just think of it as the "new" math.

John
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Where's the rest of the US automakers?
John   4/10/2012 9:43:27 AM
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I enjoyed the slideshow.  It was nice to see what is coming down the pipeline.  But where are the other US automakers.  Half of those were old cars and don't get me wrong I love seeing old cars.  Too bad no brass era cars in there or a speedsteer with an airplane engine in it.  Those are even more neat to see.  :)  I realize the show name has international in it, but Ford seems to have been present.  Hey, have any more pics of Honda's NASCAR engine?  Is it tuned port or direct injection?  Looks like it's a dual overhead cam engine and a direct inject, but never can see any really up close pics of one of the engines.

Karen Lightman
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road tests?
Karen Lightman   4/10/2012 11:05:46 AM
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hey Alex - did you get to roadtest any of those babies? they are all gorgeous and fun to drive as well - but are they safe? However, one thing is for sure: I am sure there are a lot of "MEMS inside" those machines.... Karen

Alexander Wolfe
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Alexander Wolfe   4/10/2012 11:19:40 AM
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Driving, no. Sitting in lots of them, yes. Getting into a Smart car and closing the door is an experience. Not exactly a heavy thud. Sensors were definitely on the agenda there, in that they're not visible but if you go to the automaker people, they will talk about them.  Anyway, the electronics evolution is well along on the automotive platform.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   4/10/2012 7:51:05 PM
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The latest figure I've seen shows that electronics are approaching 40% of the cost of the car.

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