Hydrogen as an Auto Fuel: Forget About It
With all due respect to John Dodge, my boss, hydrogen is not a realistic solution to America’s energy problems.
That message is coming through loud and clear at the American Society of Mechanical Engineers’ congress in Boston this week. John devoted a big chunk of Design News print and electronic resources in his excitement to promote hydrogen as a fuel for cars. It’s hard to find experts in the field who share his enthusiasm.
These comments come from a track called “Fuel Cells: The Future of Sustainable Automotive Transportation—Fact and Fiction”
Steven Beale, a researcher at the National Research Council of Canada: “I started in solar power research and saw it implode in the 1980s, and now I’m concerned about all of the enthusiasm for fuel cells.” There are huge technical and economic problems with hydrogen as a fuel source, starting with the fact that one of the most often referenced sources for hydrogen is methane, which represents no improvement from a carbon perspective. “It’s not enough to say: Trust us, we’ll fix it.” Beale also comments: The government is putting billions of dollars into the hydrogen economy because of intense lobbying by several companies.” The current cost to produce a hydrogen car (one hydrogen-fueled car) is $1 million.
Anthony Mascarin, a managing partner at IBIS Associates, said the best-case economic scenario for hydrogen is that it may be economically viable as a fuel for cars by the year 2030. In response to a question, he conceded that even that projection does not include the cost of the hydrogen. He also remarked that it’s not realistic for any corporate player to remain in the field that long without extensive subsidies. The enormous cost of the platinum catalysts is a major problem. Hydrogen storage and delivery are also big problems.
Satish Kandlikar, a professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology, has been working on fuel cell development for eight years with General Motors, with a particular focus on water management issues in cars. Given his association with GM, it isn’t surprising that Kandlikar starts: “Hydrogen as a fuel is attractive.” He quickly adds though that given the technical issues, “Translating all of this into the auto sector will take time.” Water accumulation on the anode side of the cell remains a “major problem”, says Kandliker.
Jeffrey Allen, an assistant professor at Michigan Tech, commented on the water management issues and added that “durability (of the cells) is a significant issue. You see a lot of degradation problems.” As a result, proton exchange membrane cells are falling way short of the Department of Energy target of 5,000 hours of useful life. “In reality, we’re only getting 1,500 hours” due to the presence of liquid water on terminals.
I think we may be trying too hard to find quick fixes for our energy problems. Yes we have to find solutions, but there also needs to be some hard technical thinking in the arguments.
Larry White commented:
As a former airline aircraft mechanic for over 35 years, we have to find another transportation fuel in liquid form that fits our current infrastructure. Billions of gallons of jet fuel to move butts from point A to point B is just too expensive and short sighted. Please check the patent office. You will find seveal other ways to generate H.
klund commented:
Mr. Smock,
Please see Dr. Daniel Nocera\’s discovery of synthetic photosynthesis. He is the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT. The article is titled \”\’Major discovery\’ from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution\”. The article is at: web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
Richard D. Masters commented:
If you\’ve read this far, then you should read this:
fleetownerdotcom/management/ford_fuel_cell_research_0827/
Ford is extending its three-year-old hydrogen fuel cell program for up to 24 months in cooperation with the Department of Energy (DOE) after the company found its first generation fuel cell equipped Focus sedans lasted three times longer and worked much better than originally expected with virtually no degradation in performance. The company said its 30 fuel cell test vehicles have accumulated 865,000 real-world mi. and earned high marks from various fleet users around the world.
Richard D. Masters
International Clearinghouse for Hydrogen Commerce
hydrogencommercedotcom
chipperfish commented:
What a load of Hogwash, has anybody heard of ITM Power, a British company that have eliminated the need for Platinum. The alternative was tested over 10000 hours and is a fraction of the cost of Platinum. This company is also producing affordable home electrolyzers. WakeUp! How come a bunch of so called experts are not aware of thedevelopments that exist outside of their own little worlds.
Jeffrey S Allen commented:
Doug provides four very short quotes without context from an hour and half forum intended to spark a technical debate about automotive fuel cells. As one of the speakers I am a bit dismayed at how little perspective is reflected in the blog. Certainly there are a number of technical and political challenges, but it is disingenuous to use introductory statements (intended to spark discussion) to support a staunchly anti-hydrogen perspective. In fact, I see hydrogen as a viable energy carrier readily generated from a multitude of sources and that fuel cells have near-term potential for power generation in automotive applications.
The blog entry is the antithesis of the closing statement: \”there also needs to be some hard technical thinking\”. The intent of the forum was to generate discourse towards \”technical thinking\”. The intent of this blog is obviously not.
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