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Engineering Faculty Debates Generalists vs. Specialists

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Rev
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Generalist
Rev   12/14/2012 11:33:44 AM
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  • Minimum five years of embedded FPGA/ASIC design and/or verification experience;
  • Three-plus years of experience using System Verilog;
  • Solid experience verifying complex FPGA/ASIC designs;
  • Strong working knowledge of OOP verification and verification environment;
  • Experience with OVM/UVM verification methodology;
  • Good verbal and written communication skills;
  • Self-starter who can work with minimal supervision in a team environment on site;
  • Experience with scripting languages (e.g. Perl, TCL).

This is quite a set of qualifications for someone fresh out of college.

Let us not forget that a college graduate's knowledge must support them over the next forty years, at least.  I say "generalist".

naperlou
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IEEE going a different way
naperlou   12/14/2012 12:27:55 PM
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Jon, the Institue of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Communications Society is going in the undergraduate specialization direction.  They are proposing a BS in Telecoommunications Engineering (TE).  The feeling is that in a EE program that a number of topics are not covered that are important to telecommunications engineering and that there is enough demand.  Here in the Chicago area, as with the IEEE in general, the Communications Society is the second largest after the Computer Society (whcih I lead).  The IEEE started as the Institute of Radio Engineers.  It later merged with the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, so this makes sense. 

There are really two aspects of general education at the undergraduate level.  One, of course, are the liberal education requirements.  The other involves the range of scientific and mathematical education.  Frankly, if you want to become a generalist, you should study physics.  That is how I started.  We really looked down on the engineers.  Since there were few or no jobs in pure physics I dropped out and followed many of my professors into the software (and later systems engineering) fields.  We had the skills necessary to solve the problems we were given.  I later got a computer science degree.

What I find interesting is that many of the authors of research papers in the IEEE journals are physics PhDs.  I also know several PhDs in electrical and mechanical engineering who work at research labs with the title of physicist. 

My feeling is that if you are going into engineering then you are specializing.  One of the options is to have a shorter general engineering program, followed by a specialized program.  Some universities do this.  In the first year or two everyone covers basically the same material.  For companies that really want people to just jump in, they might want to consider just hiring people with masters degrees.  I think what we will see is the specialization of degrees along the line of what the IEEE Communications Society is doing. 

Cabe Atwell
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Re: IEEE going a different way
Cabe Atwell   12/14/2012 4:52:02 PM
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Many specialists get scooped up before they even graduate undergraduate studies, I have noticed. Whether it be by some company or person, or they go on to create their own businesses. Insanely successful examples would be Microsoft, Apple, and Facebook. These guys go on to hire more specialists. Why? They want a job done fast at any cost.

Businesses that are only moderately successful tend to seek generalists, from my experience. Why? Because they want a variety of jobs done for low cost. And they don't have to do a great job at them either.

After years of experience and observation, I have only one recommendation for engineers, using these terms: Become a specialist at whatever you wish and start a business around it.

Cabe

Charles Murray
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Re: Generalist
Charles Murray   12/14/2012 6:25:26 PM
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While I do see the advantage to being a specialist (it might make you eligible for a very specific set of jobs), I lean toward the generalist approach. The problem is that most new graduates really don't have a good feel for what they'll be doing ten years down the road. The generalist approach is a great way to keep your options open. Engineering is a pretty specialized curriculum to begin with. I don't know if making it more specialized is a good long-term approach.

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Re: Generalist
GTOlover   12/17/2012 9:51:22 AM
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I think the term specialization is loosely defined in the engineering field. As a ME, I took a controls track in my undergraduate. I was hoping to move into the field of robotics and mechatronics. However, my current skill set has been developed in the field of thermoplastic injection molding (part, process, and tool design). My undergraduate studies in controls have little relevance in my current job (other than occasional automation projects).

Specialization seems to follow the engineers work. I took a job with an injection molding company. From that first engineering job, I have trained and specialized to enhance my productivity in this field of work. As a result of this specialization (nationally recognized certifications), I have a skill set that is highly sought by the injection molding community (I get frequent calls from head hunters). I cannot say this is true for everyone, but just conveying my experience.

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Generalisr vs. Specialist
AGHock   12/17/2012 12:18:14 PM
I think industry needs both. More importantly each individual should strive to fit those aspects of a career that are in their zone of comfort (augmented by a little sweat to have a working knowledge outside their comfort zone). I firmly believe this to be important if you are to enjoy your working career.

Using any of the profile tests available we fall into many zones. Let's pick two:

The left brained individual (disciplined, task oriented, goal setting, focused, etc) will most likely be happiest in an engineering specialty dealing with as much certainty as possible.

On the other hand the right brained individual (undisciplined, variety thinking, likes many different tasks, somewhat unfocused) may be happier working in undefined areas and dealing with unknowns.

I am from the latter. My lack of discipline was not a friend when struggling with my undergrad Electrical Engineering. Flunked out once, went to another school and graduated in spite of my study habits. Ten years later I completed two M.S. degrees in Applied Math and in Computer Science.

I enjoyed R & D and New Product Development and relished the challenges of uncertainty and solving unforeseen problems. I have had the opportunity to manage many coop students and feel that it is wonderful to see them gravitate to one particular area where they were able to shine when having been rather vanilla in a different area. The coop experience avoids getting that first job in you vanilla area which can be a career true damper.

Being a closet generalist worked out for me. Managing and troubleshooting at companies that introduced among the first electronic typewriters, electronic sewing machines, specialty watches and inkjet printers, including the hotmelt technology that lead to early stage parts manufacturing via 3D printing and "lost wax" parts fabrication. Lots of patents in lots of fields, I really enjoyed my career. Still read to keep up.

For the engineering student, seek out your true interest profile and design your engineering career around it. Get the basics so that you can understand the task needs and read continually outside your specific field to add a generalist capability to your bag of tricks. Then you can go well in many directions!

 

mrdon
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Re: Generalisr vs. Specialist
mrdon   12/17/2012 12:48:44 PM
AGHock, I agree. A talented engineer is a well balanced individual skilled in general knowledge of engineerng fundamentals and armed with special skills in advanced technology. I too mapped out my career having a strong background in basic electrica-electronics knowledge but pursue developing skills in Embedded Systems. Both engineering backgrounds continue to serve me well and have never regret this career path.

Philip Oakley
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reach for the sky with your feet on the ground..
Philip Oakley   12/17/2012 2:58:51 PM
A skyscraper without sufficient foundations will fall down.

While the Leaning Tower of Piza is an interesting icon, it is necessary for graduates to have a sufficient grounding (foundations) in their subject so that they don't get blown over by the winds of change.

Over a lifetime, the specialisations that many seek will have disappeared. We've moved on from valves and morse code, and we'll move on again from the current mass market methods pretty soon, so some level of generalisation, and importantly, an underpinning level of knowledge and understanding, will be essential for the sucessful engineer.

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JimWagner   12/17/2012 3:15:01 PM
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BOTH Generalists and Specialists. They do not have to be exclusive in an educational institutiion, though curicula tend to promote one or the other. This does NOT have to be. 

Further, many of us do not get a good handle on what we are good at until some years into our career. I think that what is really needed is to be able to learn more, academically, about spicific areas without having to devote full-time to a class program. In fact, many institutions basically force you to enroll in a degree program to get those graduale level courses. That should NOT be so.

Writing as a research support factuly person at a mid-level engineering univerity, with lots of industriial experience.

 

William K.
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Generalists or specialists?
William K.   12/17/2012 4:40:08 PM
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There are certainly places where both types are needed and will fit well. A very large organization may need somebody who is a master with some particular model number FPGA, and nobody without a lot of experience with that part will do them much good. On the other side of the picture, how many places woulkd that person fit? and how soon would all that expertise become outdated and of marginal value? Besides that, how possibly can a university provide such a specialization that is not "past it's prime" the day the student graduates. And what if that same specialist needs to add an interface and amplifier for an A/D converter?

Headhunters seem to be a group that is either seeking an "entry level person with 6 years experience", and sometimes that experience on a device that has only been in production one year, or they want expertise in a wide range of areas, well beyond what is reasonable.

But a good grasp of a general engineering should be useful in a number of areas, and the background is vital for being able to develope a specialization. 

I don't design logic chips, I design custom automation, among other things, and it is not economical to design a chip that would only be used in a dozen systems. So the ability to work in a more generalized manner has been quite worthwhile for me.

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