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Slideshow: A Look at American Motorcycles

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Oppenheimer
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Re: Buell?
Oppenheimer   12/12/2014 11:58:48 AM
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Ah, I see. Thank you. I recall now that the musuem was mentioned, but somehow missed that although the slideshow title generically refers to American Motorcycles, the content is based on the musuems collection. I blame reading DN at work and being distracted.

Charles Murray
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Re: Buell?
Charles Murray   12/12/2014 11:51:40 AM
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Sorry we didn't include Buell, Oppenheimer, but the slideshow was about the Stuebaker Museum display. To get in the display, and therefore in the slideshow, someone would have to temporarily contribute a Buell bike.

Oppenheimer
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Re: Diesel motorcycles?
Oppenheimer   12/12/2014 9:19:03 AM
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We do have differing viewpoints. I favor seatblet laws to protect people from their poor decisions for financial healthcare savings for the rest of us. You are against seatbelt laws to allow peoples poor decisions to cost them their lives, presumably to protect the rest of us from their equally dificient subsequent offspring, or simply to protect the rest of us from having to coexist with them.

A side benefit of my position is more people survive. The main benefit of yours is they don't.

dbull
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Two items that need mentioning
dbull   12/12/2014 9:03:07 AM
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When you talk about American Motorcycles you have to mention the Thor Motorcycle Co from Aurora, IL. They actually manufactured all of the engines for Indian in the early years and made engines or parts for almost all of the early motorcycles. Even though they did not make Harley parts their race director went to Harley and made that a winning team. The other item, though not strictly American, is the old Guggenheim Art of the Motorcycle show. I was lucky enough to see it and smart enough to buy one of the rare books. That show was amazing.

William K.
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Re: Buell?
William K.   12/11/2014 9:14:39 PM
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The Buell is indeed a wonderful machine, but way beyond my budget. But possibly if they keep making them long enough there will be some used ones selling for less. Although it is not clear why somebody would choose to sell one. But even that wonderful machine is not immune to idiots that turn in front of them illegally. It is really hard to avoid a car that pulls right in front of you making that illegal turn.

William K.
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Re: Diesel motorcycles? Seatbelts.
William K.   12/11/2014 9:09:29 PM
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What a dumb argument against seatbelts. Completely aside from reducing injuries in collisions, the most valuable thing is keeping the driver in a position to control the vehicle. Hard turns and big bumps can jerk the driver away from the optimum position and lead to por control, while the belt holds one in just the right spot, if the belt is correctly positioned. 

Besides that, we can thank the idiots who didn't wear seatbelts for our deadly airbags that we are forced to buy. I really would choose to not have a big explosive charge a few inches from my chest, especially now that it is found that Takata made all of those units incorrectly, allowing steel fragments to blast the driver. THAT is a hazard that I would choose to avoid, since it has been shown that thoractic perforation by high velocity metal fragments is hazardous to one's health. Yes, we can blame all of the fools who would not wear seatbelts for this airbag mandate.

tluxon
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Re: Diesel motorcycles?
tluxon   12/11/2014 5:41:16 PM
I'm not "whining", as you so kindly put it.  I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of our laws.

Hey, I get it.  Even though this great nation was founded on libertarian priciples, the vast majority have been retrained into believing more government is good for us.  It's a cyclical thing that just hasn't yet come around full circle to bite us in the backside again - but it's about to  History repeats itself because we're too arrogant to learn from it.

tluxon
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Re: Diesel motorcycles?
tluxon   12/11/2014 5:34:40 PM
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Wow - I'm glad I gave you a chance to rant on seatbelts.  Honestly, I don't recall ever NOT wearing one whenever I was in a car - law notwithstanding.  However, you and I have differing viewpoints when it comes to assuming healthcare costs for someone eles's responsibility.  I prefer not to draw a line when it comes to personal responsibility for risky behavior, because I don't believe there's a way to assess what and how much constitutes acceptable risk in a manner that satisfies everyone.  I'm just not sure that protecting fools from themselves is really doing them and everyone else a favor in the long run.  Survival of the fittest has individual motivation and responsibility built right into it in a manner that is consistent with the rest of nature.

As to the nature of diesel engines, you really ought to take a Jetta TDI for a spin on hilly terrain before claiming they can't be fun.  My Jetta Sportwagen TDI is a real kick in the pants to drive, and I've had some sporty vehicles in my day.

I'm not convinced that such a motive force couldn't be scaled down for a motorcycle, but I agree that a lot of preconception inertia would have to be overcome.  However, I believe getting that much thrust at 100 mpg could be very convincing,

al_phelps
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Re: Diesel motorcycles?
al_phelps   12/11/2014 3:03:41 PM
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You whine about seatbelt laws while looking at motorcycles? Of course it would be just as dumb to consider helmet laws a bane of "Big Brother". Again a law that helps prevent needless injury.

Oppenheimer
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Re: Diesel motorcycles?
Oppenheimer   12/11/2014 2:55:03 PM
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As much as I don't like laws that tell me what to do, anyone that does not wear their seatbelt lacks a fundamental understanding of physics, or does not place much value on their life (or both). Its a shame we even need seatbelt laws, but it seems there are enough ignorant people (either ill informed or lacking intelligence, or both) that otherwise would not wear one, that such laws are necessary (not to protect them from themsleves, but to protect us from the burden of their healthcare costs due to preventable injury).

 

Unlike other calculated risks, like skydiving or even riding a MC, with seatbelt non-use there is no visceral thrill to be enjoyed, nor skill to overcome the danger (for the passenger - for the driver, no seatbelt to hold you in place to properly utilize those skills).

What is even the point of not wearing one? If its uncomfortable, or wrinkles your clothes, you don't have it adjusted correctly. If its just not wanting someone to telling you what to do, then don't wear it becuase the man tells you to, wear it because it would be stupid not to.

 

...and one reason they don't have many diesel MC's is because of the required pollution controls to make diesel clean enough. They would be too heavy, too bulky. Plus, at least in the US, the culture is that MC's are for fun, not for transportation. At least in the US, Diesel and Fun don't often go in the same sentence.

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