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fire-iron.biz
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Re: Random thoughts on Sawstop
fire-iron.biz   7/29/2011 1:39:05 AM
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I'm not arguing the value of added safety but rather the one-time use of the design.  Consider GFCI's, if not for being easily reset without additional cost beyond some annoyance from false trips, they would not have been so readily accepted for use.  Same applies to the Sawstop, if it were not a destructive one-time use device, I think it would find a much wider acceptance.

Consider a common motor-mounted friction brake can stop a 300# mixer paddle within 30° of rotation, the same can be done with the far less mass of a saw.  Same with the drop-down, such can be done with the need to stop rotation as once the blade is below the deck, it no longer poses a threat.  The drop can be done with a system that easily reset and doesn't cause undo damage to the machine.

cjx1
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Re: A nightmare that refuses to go away
cjx1   4/19/2013 9:46:15 PM
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Well I think the problem you all seem to have stems from the fact that you haven't used one. I have. It is a beautiful machine. there aren't "false positives" all the time. maybe hardly ever. The safety system can be bypassed to cut conductive materials. It runs just as well as or better than any powermatic or delta as far as I'm concerned.

To say the false positives aren't worth the risk reduction either means you aren't thinking clearly or you just don't value the possibilities of suffering. A big table saw costs 4 grand. sure, that's a bit of money. But I use a table saw every day and my shop brings in hundreds of thoiusands of dollars a year. so how expensive is it really? maybe for weekenders.

Good question-- How many false positives would destroy equipment for no reason? Unfortunately for your argument, that's not a rhetorical question, it has an answer. Ask anyone who uses one and I think you'll find there are hardly any at all. The system is quite good. I know because I've used one for a considerable amount of time. have you? And by the way, how many destroyed table saws equals a hand lost. one? ten? forty? a hundred? How much would I have to pay you to let me cut off your hand? Would you take a million? Do you even know what it's like to live without a hand? 

Suppose the saw had a false positive once a year. (Which it wouldn't. I know, because, again, I've used one) Even If I had to buy an entirely new saw every year, isn't that worth the thirty thousand dollars when I still have a hand at year ten when that accident does happen, after I'm thirty grand in? Definately! And besides that, it would probably be a wash compared to the cost of amputatiing my mangled hand.

You are all caught up in the "machine". The machine has to be built to last. I'm sorry but that's ignorant. Hands are more important. Machines are for the benefit of humans. And they don't last anyway. The bottom line is that machines can be replaced so easially...hands cannot. I can't beleive I'm saying this isn't it obvious?

You're arguing in the abstract. come out here in the real world where people run a saw day in and day out. come out here where hands go away and never come back. come out here where saws are tools, not idols. Come out here where they don't ultimately cost that much. Come out here where saw stop saws are being used every day and all the terrible things you say about them aren't happening. You're right. They just won't go away.

BTW to say that using a saw is a calculated risk that one must accept is so silly. It doesn't have to be as big a risk. duh. 

As someone who uses a table saw every day, I certainly hope someone as dumb as you isn't teaching anyone anything.

And I bet you felt pretty good about yourself telling off all those sissys who want to keep their fingers.

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