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Slideshow: Pickups Roll at Chicago Auto Show

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naperlou
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lot of off-road
naperlou   2/20/2014 1:02:48 PM
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Chuck, I am interested in the off-road emphasis.  Do you see a lot more of this going on?  I get out into the country and most people there going off-road use older vehicles.  The idea of banging around off-road in a new vehicle seems a little crazy to me.  Of course, these are mostly farmers, and they are generally very practical.

The Maserati is really nice.  Actually, we just got a new Maserati dealer here in Naperville.  I guess that means we are moving up in the world. 

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Charles Murray   2/20/2014 3:59:42 PM
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I don't think there's a growing emphasis on off-road, naperlou. The Chicago Auto Show has always been the show where new trucks are introduced, presumably because the Midwest (outside Chicago) is less urban. Years ago, I even talked to auto companies that went out of their way to hire Midwestern graduates -- kids from Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, etc -- to design and engineer their pickup trucks.  

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far911   2/20/2014 11:13:18 PM
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Ya u are rite banging off road on new and expensive vehicle is not wise , but still all the show is instigating to buy them  and elope.

far911
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far911   2/20/2014 11:13:33 PM
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Ya u are rite banging off road on new and expensive vehicle is not wise , but still all the show is instigating to buy them  and elope.

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asicdesignengineer   2/21/2014 2:31:21 PM
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What I find interesting on the off-road angle is that they are all huge trucks, which if you really did alot of off-roading you would find them problematic as far as the long wheelbase and wide body is concerned. I'm sure they have limited approach and departure angles, and not as well suited as short-wheelbase vehicles in tight turning situations, such as tight wooded trails.
As far as the farm angle is concerned, don't really see how that fits in to the whole off-road category, any wide bed truck is suitable for farming, and certainly not necessary to be all 'rigged-out' like these trucks. Think this is more of playing into 'macho' psyche.

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Charles Murray   2/21/2014 3:30:47 PM
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You're right, naperlou. The Maserati is cool. This year, there were a number of new cars at the Chicago show and the Detroit show that really emphasized horsepower. Power is definitely rising, even as fuel efficiency climbs.

far911
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far911   2/23/2014 5:16:52 AM
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For me Lot of people are still on savings and Kia soulEV is a vehicle to look upto with range upto 80 to 100 miles on all electric. Sounds interesting.

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Pickups for non-business use
j-allen   2/21/2014 8:34:46 AM
Many pickups seem to be driven for purposes where a compact car would serve just as well.  If the drivers' goal is simply to waste gas, why not drive a little car and punch a leak in the fuel tank to accomplish the same waste?  Or skip the leak and just burn the saved money.  

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Turbineman   2/21/2014 11:00:51 AM
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You make a good cultural point.  Trucks aren't purpose-driven vehicles anymore.  I think this trend started in the early 1970's when "powder puff" trucks began to appear.  Before that, trucks were the cheapest vehicles on the dealers' lots and you could clean out the cab with a garden hose.

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Charles Murray   2/21/2014 3:28:15 PM
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You're right, turbineman. Over the years, trucks somehow became a "feel-good buy," rather than a matter of utility, for some consumers. Some buyers wanted to sit up high and feel big. I know many contractors and trades people who own and need trucks, so I'm not talking about them. But there's a growing contingent of people who drive shiny, tricked out trucks that just don't look like they serve a real practical purpose. Obviously, it's their perogative, but I just don't understand it.

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far911   2/23/2014 5:20:09 AM
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I guess it is a state of mind that people like to sit on high wheels and looking down on every one passing by. Only people who like to drive a heavy feel vehicles like to use trucks or people going of road.

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Re: Pickups for non-business use
Pubudu   2/27/2014 11:59:14 AM
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True far 911, all ways there will be a segment in the market who will think like almost same. That's why there are many brands and model exists in the market.

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Pubudu   2/27/2014 11:49:41 AM
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Turbineman, true that I also agree with you on this. Truks (pickups) have now become a fashion. This image collection is witness to that.

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asicdesignengineer   2/21/2014 2:17:03 PM
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I agree for the most part, however you do have to give kudos to truck Mfg's for trying to be more fuel efficient. Sure why own a truck when a more efficient car would suffice, however I feel this line of thinking gives Mfg's an 'out' for actually trying to develop an efficient truck. On the other hand I also despise those touting supposedly "efficient" cars that get less than 40MPG.

But if there was a small truck that got 40+ mpg why not opt for something like that which might me more versatile to some, so I do think one has to give credit where credit is due, but then again most people only interested in trucks is because they look "manly". But I especially liked the small Nissan diesel; the Kia Niro hybrid had some impressive ground clearance if your into the outdoors. However its unlikely that either will see the light of day. Think 2 years ago Toyota had a prius "truck", and Jeep had a diesel electric hybrid wrangler – both with impressive MPG for the time but sadly neither went anywhere.


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Toyota TRD (Toyota Racing Development)
mrdon   2/23/2014 2:26:58 PM
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Charles

The Toyota TRD Pro vehicle exhibit looks awesome! If my eyes are not deceiving me, the Chicago Auto Show actually showed the pickup driving out of a water-pit? Their exhibit looks like a mini monster truck show! Great slides Charles!

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Charles Murray   2/24/2014 6:54:12 PM
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Yes, Mr Don, when I was at the Chicago Show (at the preview), reporters were driving the Toyota through an off-road course that included the water pit. I believe they did the same throughout the remainder of the show. Hats off to Toyota for a great exhibit.

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mrdon   2/24/2014 10:01:38 PM
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Charles

Wow, that's pretty awesome. Toyota really wanted to impress the public with this exhibit and they did. Talk about engaging the audience! Very nice!!

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Charles Murray   2/25/2014 6:00:20 PM
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Yes, the Toyota off-road course was probably the most spectacular exhibit for attendees. But there were others...Ford had the Mustang pinball game, Toyota had the teen driving simulator and Ford had an off-road simulator. Toyota also had its FT-1 on the Gran Turismo game, which could be "driven" by attendees.  

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mrdon   2/25/2014 10:25:22 PM
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Charles,

It seems as though the auto manufacturers' exhibits were designed for total engagment by the public. Lots of hands-on activities for everyone (from kids to adults). Sounds like a good show!

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a.saji   2/26/2014 4:38:29 AM
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@mrdon: Yes its always better to have hands on experience. Then only you will gain experience in a real life scenario. That is more important and valuable than the professional qualification these days.    

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Pubudu   2/27/2014 12:18:40 PM
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Yes ah.Saji its always practical, learning through the experience. But the thing is, it seems to be that there won't be anything to implement with the little truck. It's all there, isn't it?

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a2   2/28/2014 6:18:29 AM
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@Pubudu: Learning from practical sessions is where you dig deep into some issue and do it on a routine basis. That I feel is the best way to learn things. That will make the user confident too. Remember that the mind plays a major role in anything.                 

mrdon
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mrdon   2/28/2014 12:46:46 PM
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a.saji

I tell my students, everytime they touch a piece of test equipment, wire a circuit, or write code, they have obtained skills and the experience immediately. The best way to obtain this experience is through hands-on engagement with the device or object of interest.

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Charles Murray   3/10/2014 6:49:04 PM
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Well said, mrdon. At the risk of sounding coarse, I wish more engineering programs stressed more hands-on time, and less time with esoteric math.

mrdon
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mrdon   3/11/2014 9:35:20 AM
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Charles,

Thanks! I'm a big advocate when it comes to students of all ages being engaged in learning through creative hands-on activities. The Maker movement is a good example of folks building cool devices to solve tough problems. Here's my contribution to the Maker Movement.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Make-Projects-Experiments-Microcontrollers-Electronics/dp/1449360661/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1394544855&sr=1-1&keywords=don+wilcher

far911
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far911   2/27/2014 12:15:13 PM
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Charles .....Toyota display of 14 feet climb myst be a real treat to watch and try.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   2/27/2014 7:54:33 PM
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I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't try it, far911. The line was too long. A weak excuse, I know.

far911
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far911   3/10/2014 1:36:17 PM
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Charles, i suggest dont miss it next time, coz u never know after trying that out u be actually running it on streets.

a.saji
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a.saji   2/28/2014 1:15:54 AM
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@Far: How much does it cost ? Is it the latest feature of it ? 

Cadman-LT
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Great slide show
Cadman-LT   2/23/2014 10:07:05 PM
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Some really cool stuff there. I've always wanted to go.

TJ McDermott
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Marketing pulling out all the stops
TJ McDermott   2/24/2014 10:27:01 AM
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Using a motion controlled simulator that NASA would be happy to have to sell trucks is impressive on its own - the trucks they simulate have a lot to live up to as a result.

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Cadman-LT   2/24/2014 8:24:04 PM
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TJ, yeah that thing looked very impressive! Like to have one for my 360 racing games!

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Re : Slideshow: Pickups Roll at Chicago Auto Show
AnandY   2/24/2014 10:46:49 AM
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@ asicdesignengineer, you covered some really good points here. Credit should be given where we think is appropriate. It may be "manly" or dashing for some people, but most of the people opt for trucks because of their versatility. If such versatile vehicles could be made fuel efficient as well, that will be fantastic.

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AnandY   2/27/2014 2:17:56 AM
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@ far911, apparently your argument is quite valid. It looks odd roaming around off-road in an expensive new vehicle. But then it looks odd because we are used to seeing old vehicles at such places. So it is more of a cultural thing. New advanced vehicle may be costly to buy but new vehicles burn less fuel than old ones. Besides, new vehicles with technological advancements offer some other obvious benefits.

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far911   2/27/2014 12:08:16 PM
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Anand I also agree with you as per new technology and fuel efficiency is concerned. But still spending a hell on a truck and then burning it off road doesn't seems wise. But yet I would say all those people who can afford a truck can enjoy it the way they would like.

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Pubudu   2/27/2014 12:23:43 PM
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True far911, it won't be a much problem of fuel consumption for a person who can afford a truck. And also he will not like to have a poor performance couse to increase fuel efficiency.

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a.saji   2/28/2014 1:16:42 AM
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@Pubudu: True as long as you have to pay a reasonable price for fuel. Consumption will not matter to much where the cost is low. 

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a2   2/28/2014 6:13:06 AM
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@a.saji: Well good point but still a vehicle should have a good fuel consumption. You cannot segment it based on country levels.  

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