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Slideshow: The New Mustang's Technology Leads the Way

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Hank-4
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Hank-4   2/4/2014 9:51:43 AM
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Have owned 3 Mustangs ... all IIs. One had a V6 (170CI) and the other two had 302s. All had 4-speeds. I am currently reworking the (1978) Mach II. Even the way Ford had crippled the 302 to comply with emmission regs could not keep it from putting out gobs of torque ... but it didn't have an impressive top end. My Mach II would only hit about 110 but it would get there vvery quickly. Adding a trubo to a 2.3 liter 4 is not a new idea for Ford. They did this with the Essex 2.3L in the Mustang in 1980 (or maybe 1981). Unfortunately, Ford had not done their homework on the stresses that supercharging brings to bear on an engine. These vehicles most often developed problems with the head gasket after about 30K-40K miles. I had the opportunity to drive one for about a week (was considering trading the Mach II). The car had plenty of pep (especially for a 2.3L) but under load with the t-charger spooled up, the noise on the inside of the car was ridiculous. Since the article states that the new mustang's 4 is 2.3L, I have to wonder if it's the Essex core. If so, I hope Ford has learned that ANY engine that is going to be supercharged should be designed from the oil pan up with supercharging in mind. The cylinder pressures get really high. Like many "experienced" Mustang lovers, I still think a Mustang should come with rumble of a V8.

emisson
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emisson   2/4/2014 9:46:20 AM
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All the Ford Ecoboost engines use 87 octane gas.  The gas is directly injected into each cylinder under high pressure just prior to spark ignition.  This eliminates the premature detonation that can occur when using regular fuel in high compression engines.

John
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John   2/4/2014 9:44:46 AM
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Those numbers seem really phenominal.  That much power out of a little ole 4 banger?  I would like to see one of these 4 bangers vs. the most efficient V8 duke it out at the drag strip.  See who is really quicker.  I would think the 4 banger would have to have some super high dollar components to stay together and create that much power.  With Ford having issues in the past with lazy lifters, I don't know about this new engine.  I'll stick with my clicky 289 and see how the little 4 banger runs for a few years. 

fredsay
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Re: Great American car
fredsay   2/4/2014 9:40:05 AM
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My current car is a 2003 Cobra (Ford's code name: Terminator, bought new).

I've also owned a 1970 Fastback with a 351 Cleveland, an 86GT (put over 200k miles over 10 years), a 91 GT and a 98 Cobra (traded in for the 2003).

The 2003 is by far the fastest Mustang I've ever owned (and it's still stock). Off the line or passing on the highway, there are very few cars which can keep up with it. Top end is governed to 157pmh, but that's a good thing. Over 160mph, it gets real light and squirrlly without suspension and aerodynamic changes. But that's OK, because zero to sixty is where it's really fun. It can do 50mph in first, 74mph in second, and 105 in third. Fourth will hit the govenor before it hits redline (but I've never run it that fast). Giddy Up!

Reliabilityguru
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Reliabilityguru   2/4/2014 9:18:39 AM
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9 Million sold! It would be interesting to take a survey how many DN readers have ever owned a Mustang. I had a '69 Mustang Mach I fastback with a 351 Windsor engine. That car was an instant classic and it is still my favorite car of all time. It was so fast. I once "buried the speedometer" trying to see how fast it could go and the speedometer went up to 130! There was still more to go so I never found out.  I always heard the 351 Cleveland engine was even stronger. 

fredsay
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Re: What is and what could have been
fredsay   2/4/2014 9:07:33 AM
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Before y'all break out the party hats over gas mileage, since it is turbocharged, it WILL require premium gas, which around here is $0.30 - 0.40 higher than regular gas. Consider that when looking at it's mpg. A turbo will mean more gas (due to increased compression or it will go lean and melt a piston or two) so it's mileage will not be as good as a n/a 4cylinder. While the V-8 may have lower mpg, if it runs on 87octane, it may be almost as economical as far as gas costs. Plus, a naturally aspirated engine will last longer than either a turbocharged or supercharged engine. And unless you add a per-oiler which will continue to drip oil on the turbo bearing after the car has shut down (while the turbo is still spooling down), you can expect to replace the turbo around 60,000 miles. Make mine a V-8 the way the Mustang Gods intended.

Elizabeth M
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Elizabeth M   2/4/2014 8:52:17 AM
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Hmmm, so perhaps the Suburban brand hasn't held up and modernized the way Mustang seems to be doing...I'll have to do a bit of research on this. I don't live in the U.S. anymore...here in Europe there aren't that many American cars around. I drive a VW Transporter minibus more for lifestyle reasons than anything else.

ramjet@metrocast.net
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ramjet@metrocast.net   2/4/2014 8:49:44 AM
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The Suburban is a Ponderous Heavy Very Large SUV with poor gas milage. It was also rated so-so on Maintenance. (3 of 5)

Says so right here: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Suburban/

I have not driven one but it is BIG.

I prefer my New 2012 Xterra, it's Bigger than the original but not massive.

It has interesting cargo options and a better power to weight ratio yet did not reduce the fuel milage from the old one. Yes, I traded my 13 Year old one in on it. I expect this one to last just as well.

I like the new mustang but living in the Frozen north where I do it would be a poor choice for a primary vehicle. (6 to 12 inches of snow forecasted tonight /tomorrow) & I can't afford a spare one same as most folks.

Elizabeth M
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Elizabeth M   2/4/2014 4:59:55 AM
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I had a feeling you would know a fact like that, Chuck! Interesting. The Mustang was a good guess, though, wasn't it? (Especially from a non-car expert. ;)) It's good to see these old brands still going strong. What is the Suburban like these days? As modern and updated as the Mustang?

angelicagheptanB
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angelicagheptanB   2/4/2014 2:43:18 AM
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That was interesting. It is fuel economy and a fast car. I love it.

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