It would be nice if the existing plants were upgraded to current best practices? Do you know why they aren't? Because it's too expensive.
Browns Ferry? Still as vulnerable to a fire as when it was built.
As for Fukushima, you realize they had added a lot of expensive safety features.
Each rac had a filtration stack and venting tower. Those didn't prevent the reactors from
exploding their containments.
if Nuclear power was as cheap and effective, it would be being built at a high rate world wide. Instead, Nuke construction has basically been in a coma for 30 years and without massive subsidies would be dying.
As for Nuke's saving a significant number of lives ... in the millions per year, plus millions more that are injured by fossil fuel environmentals ... There are other resources to read, like these articles:
There have been MANY distortions by the anti-nuke posters in this forum ... the other side of the story is important, no matter how hard they try to distort the real facts, reality is still there for them to ignore, hide from, and deny. Fossil fuels kill and injure a lot of people, while nukes are getting safer with time, and cheaper.
The Nuke safety record ... complete, and worth reading, can be found in the following link. 14,500 reactor years of operational safety, and only a few failures ... mostly with early designs, in the early years -- a MUST read:
PatB .... take responsibility for your own lies ... what I said was " It just helps to take their irrational voices away, by taking their arguements about deaths and injury and putting it into perspective for the alternatives they are forcing, which exceed 1B deaths and environmental injuries from fossil fuels over the same time period. About 6 orders of magnitude worse."
what you said was "you cannot have it both ways, if you want to call coal clean and cheap, you cannot then say "Coal kills 1 billion people and destroys mountains". That's just dishonest argument."
Coal has NOT killed 1B people in the last 50-60 years ... it is pretty unlikely that it did in the previous 200 as well when it left heavy soot from being burned in fire places, and steam engines. It did probably cause a lot of soot related illnesses -- there is a big difference between illness and death.
The coal being burned in the Rawhide plant is what the industry calls "clean", being low sulfer, low particulate, and pretty well scrubbed by the stack emissions systems ... It's not what I call clean in comparison to Nuke power ... but relatively it's pretty clean, with way too much CO2 emissions. It's a LOT cleaner than the stuff that most of the environmentalists around me burn in their wood burning stoves and fireplaces, with heavy particulate smoke, that does drive my allergies crazy. That they consider natural ... polution that man has done for thousands of years, while bitching about coal fired base generation facilities.
So ... the whining is your's ... you ran out of defenses, and decided to try and discredit your opponents ... with lies. Shameful ... just shameful
PatB ...told an outright fabricated lie: if you want to call coal clean and cheap, you cannot then say "Coal kills 1 billion people and destroys mountains". That's just dishonest argument.
That is just a completely fabricated lie, in every way.
If you are going to quote someone, then cut and paste the quote accurately. Don't completely fabricate a quote, then argue against it ... that is just plain decietful.
Secondly, I'm making arguements in favor of Nuke power, for commercial, residential, and transportation needs .... and slamming fossil fuels hard in the process.
Nuke power is cheaper and safer than fossiil fuels when you factor in all the direct and indirect costs.
Solar and Wind are very very expensive today ... and probably in the future for a significant period of time as well, without large scale storage. They are an incomplete solution without large amounts of bulk storage, that are significantly more expensive than nuke power.
if you want to call coal clean and cheap, you cannot then say "Coal kills 1 billion
people and destroys mountains". That's just dishonest argument.
Also, PV and Wind are getting real cheap, real fast, we can build the systems out and count on the learning curve driving costs down.
I find it interesting you run PV/Wind systems and get according to you, 98% uptime.
You are down 2-5 days, that seems like a minor problem to fix, you have some small gas turbines, that can run for that known time period, or you need to structure for load management, or you plan to be down in that time period and do heavy maintenance. Very few systems are up 6 nines.
Rapid technological change in this field will make this much more affordable.
UDel got to 99% using wind and Solar for the whole state of Deleware, somehow I think,
that can scale out.
Besides Portugal is now at 70% renewables, and Germany is at one quarter renewables.
give europe 2 more years and they will be above 50%.
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