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3D Printers Give New Life to Old Recordings

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tekochip
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Voyager Disc
tekochip   1/18/2013 5:17:29 PM
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Who knows, maybe in a few thousand years some being will use the same process to read the golden disc on Voyager. 
Seriously though, I wonder what other lost reproductions can be recovered with a similar process.


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3D Printing Popularity
Greg M. Jung   1/18/2013 11:12:45 PM
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As 3D printing technology continues to become more and more available, imaginative uses like this will continue to pop up.  Very interesting use of technology.

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mrdon   1/20/2013 7:32:58 PM
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Greg, I agree. The videos showing the reproduced record were pretty impressive. The phonograph player reminded me of my Close and Play toy I had as a child. The limits of 3D printing applications are truly limited by one's imagination. Cool article Cabe!

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Cool application of this technology
Elizabeth M   1/21/2013 4:52:03 AM
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It's one thing to replicate auto parts--it's another to revive history! That's a very cool application of this technology. And as an avid music lover who misses that scratch of vinyl, the idea that this could breathe new life into records also is appealing.

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3drob   1/21/2013 9:32:21 AM
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As someone who is just starting to rip their LP collection (I finished my first album just two days ago) I'm a bit perplexed.  I understand the archival aspect of transferring old media (I wish I had something to scan records instead of playing them, an inherently damaging exercise).  But I was expecting to read about someone printing a long gone DEVICE to play long obsolete media, not printing that obsolete media.  Seems a bit of a waste, especially since printers are inherently rectilinear devices, not polar (as a record is), so getting a usable result would require a much higher resolution printer than currently exist.

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Larry M   1/21/2013 9:54:41 AM
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3drob wrote " Seems a bit of a waste, especially since printers are inherently rectilinear devices, not polar (as a record is),..."

Uhhh, cylindrical, I think.

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3drob   1/21/2013 10:38:39 AM
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Records (discs such as those shown in the article) use polar (radial?) coordinates (theta-radius).  I would assume it would be extremely difficult to get adequate results printing a record in polar coord. using an x-y printer (and the article does imply this).

Interesting point about cylinders, though.  Early commercial Edison recordings were cylinders.  Of course, cylinders use both coordinate systems in three dimensions (fixed radius, with x axis and theta variables).  You could print a cylinder by printing a flat sheet with x-y coordinates, soften the print and wrap it around a cylinder form.  It would probably yield better results than a disk (except at the joint).

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audioguy   1/21/2013 10:58:14 AM
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Interesting from the standpoint of analog/digital resolution performance. It's been estimated that the equivalent digital channel spec. needed to equal "obsolete" 30 i.p.s. analog tape, which was the standard for high-quality recording back in the day, is a 500Khz sampling rate at 24 bits of TRUE resolution. The smallest signal modulations encoded in the groove walls of a vinyl LP are on the scale of a wavelength of visible light. 3D printing will have to go a long way to match that.

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Larry M   1/21/2013 11:01:05 AM
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No, No, Rob.  I was referring to planar discs, not recording cylinders, same as you.

Remember your coordinate systems from trigonometry class.

Polar coordinates are a system describing the location of a point from the origin by three angles and a radius.

Cylindrical coordinates are a system describing the location of a point from the origin by use of an angle, a radius, and a Z-axis displacement.  This coordinate system (not the shape of the object) is much more appropriate for describing the groove geometry of a planar phonograph record. The angle and radius describe the location of the groove, and the Z-axis displacement describes the depth of the needle in the groove. It is the variation in depth (Z-axis) which stimulates the crystal or magnetic cartridge transducer, creating the sound.

In fact, a waveform of only the Z-axis sound would be a representation of the audio.

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SparkyWatt   1/21/2013 1:42:01 PM
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I think you are the one that is confused.

Polar co-ordinates (without further specification) is a 2D system, locating a point in a plane by angle and distance from a reference point.  The other common 2D system is Cartesian co-ordinates which locates a point by distance from a reference in two predefined directions.  There is also higher dimensional Cartesian and Polar systems.

It sounded from your description like you were trying to define Spherical co-ordinates, a 3D system of TWO angles and a distance.  The two angles correspond to lattitude and longitude on a globe.  Spherical co-ordinates is one of two common 3D polar systems, the other is cylindrical co-ordinates, a system of two distances and an angle.

There is a 3D system that uses three angles.  It involves two predefined reference points on a predefined reference plane.  The three angles are the polar direction from each of the reference points and the angle from the plane.  A 3D system that involved THREE angles and a distance would be overconstrained.

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