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Yes, This Was Really on Display at Hanover Fair
4/24/2013

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The folks at ITT were showing off their wire rope isolator technology. What's depicted here (which really requires video rather than a still image) is that the bucket of ball bearings and other stuff that was mounted directly to the vibrating table was bouncing all over the place (the right side of the image). The bucket to the left, containing the same items, had the wire rope isolator between the bucket and the table. This one barely moved.
The folks at ITT were showing off their wire rope isolator technology. What’s depicted here (which really requires video rather than a still image) is that the bucket of ball bearings and other stuff that was mounted directly to the vibrating table was bouncing all over the place (the right side of the image). The bucket to the left, containing the same items, had the wire rope isolator between the bucket and the table. This one barely moved.

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far911
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Go Green
far911   4/24/2013 9:25:18 AM
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This was quite amusing. I hope they weren't mocking environmental friendly cars with this because that would be so wrong. It might as well have been something to raise awareness, though I don't get the point of using a Beetle for this.

Rob Spiegel
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Huggable car
Rob Spiegel   4/24/2013 9:39:21 AM
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Nice slideshow Rich. Love the huggable car from Phoenix Contact. I also like the energy-grabbing dancefloor. How many times have you heard people say "I wish we could bottle that energy" when they're watching active young people. With this dancefloor, now it's possible.

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Re: Huggable car
NadineJ   4/24/2013 11:20:09 AM
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I haven't experienced the energy saving dance floor-yet.  I also love the people powered sidewalks.  Toulouse, France tested them out a few years ago to power the streest lights but I haven't seen any news or results since.

Follow up on real-world applications for these amazing new technologies would be great!

jhankwitz
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Re: Huggable car
jhankwitz   4/25/2013 9:59:02 AM
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Dancers would avoid an energy dance floor because it would drain too much of their energy.  Basic Physics states that you can't get something for nothing.  Dancing on this floor would be like jogging on a sandy beach instead of hard pavement. 

William K.
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Re: Huggable car
William K.   4/25/2013 4:30:55 PM
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jhankwitz, I made a similar comment on a different blog just a while back. Whar we don't know is how much the floor actually deflects, which would be the major way that dancers would observe the energy being captured. If the deflectio is very small, say less than 0.025 inches, or so, probably it would just be taken as a slightly cusioned floor. But if the flex were a lot more, say 0.125 inches, then it would certainly be quite obvious and it would feel like a drag. So what we need is more information. And while it may work very well in dry weather, it is not so clear how the sidewalk would survive in our slushy salty southeastern Michigan winters. Of course, any energy capyture mechanism does need to last a while, so durability really matters.

jhankwitz
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Re: Huggable car
jhankwitz   4/25/2013 5:16:29 PM
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The more energy captured, the more energy needed to be provided by the dancers.  Yes, they could make it a very stiff floor, but they would capture very little energy.  So, it becomes a matter of how much extra energy dancers are willing to provide.  It will be hard to balance the two to get maximum return on investment.

William K.
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Re: Huggable car
William K.   4/25/2013 5:42:05 PM
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We still have no information on how much the floor deflects, without knowing that there is no way to make a valid evaluation. A half millimeter deflection would not be noticed, but a 2 or 3 mm deflection would attract a lot of attention. Possibly we could calculate the deflection needed to deliver the power claimed, except that we have no information about how much energy the dancers deliver to the floor, nor do we know anything about the efficiency of the capture mechanism. Without any information the very best we can do is to offer blind opinions, which, if we do that, we need to qualify them as blind opinions. That keeps us from looking foolish when the facts become available.

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Ralphy Boy   4/25/2013 6:38:15 PM
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Concerning the dance floor... this might be a great thing when getting some exercise is whole the point of the dance... or whatever other activity could be performed on the floor. Imagine the power that is expended doing aerobics every year.

So, there might be a market in the health spa/gym business for these floors, as well as for a few other person powered generators... Stationary bikes, steppers, even lift machines could all be designed to convert the spa members' output into usable electricity, though I'm not sure that it would be cost effective.

But it might make an interesting marketing scheme... 'The Power House Gym' or 'The Green Room Spa' and like that.

Charles Murray
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Re: Huggable car
Charles Murray   5/13/2013 8:48:44 PM
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Good points, RalphyBoy. Gyms do have tremendous potential for human energy to be converted to electricity. Stationary bikes, cross trainers and, yes, even dance floors could be kicking energy back into the grid.

Debera Harward
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Re: Huggable car
Debera Harward   4/25/2013 7:05:27 PM
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Jhankwitz its true in order to generate more energy the more energy needed to be provided by the dancers,It is a rule you dont get anything free of cost .Havent toy heard newtons law To every action there is equal but opposite reaction

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Huggable car
Rob Spiegel   4/25/2013 12:31:39 PM
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I agree on wanting to see these examples of new technology in action, Nadine. If these technologies meet their PR promises, they could make some very positive changes. I expect that many of the new technologies we're seeing on the Design News site will find positive real-world applications.

apresher
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Hanover Fair
apresher   4/24/2013 5:24:02 PM
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Rich,  Definitely missed a few of these during the Fair.  But definitely remember the VW bug.  Thanks.

Mydesign
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Green Energy
Mydesign   4/25/2013 1:57:16 AM
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Rich, the idea of green car is diluted by green color. Whether it can save energy and minimizes the environmental pollutions? The piezo electric effect (converting mechanical energy to electric) is so common and now a day's such appliances are deployed in public places.



far911
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far911   4/25/2013 2:29:19 AM
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I believe the idea was to reduce environmental pollution. Isn't that what "green" usually refers to? 

Conversion from mechanical-to-electric is an old practice and we see this examplified in car batteries. 

Mydesign
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Re: Green Energy
Mydesign   4/30/2013 1:08:11 AM
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"I believe the idea was to reduce environmental pollution. Isn't that what "green" usually refers to? "

Far911, you are right. Green in automobile sector means, less pollution and now a day's companies are trying to use green energy too.

Debera Harward
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Re: Green Energy
Debera Harward   4/25/2013 6:48:56 PM
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I beleive the concept of green car is removal of pollution and its an hybrid car .I am too very excited to watch the unmanned vehicle because i have also designed an unmanned vehicle which moves towards the desired location after receiving the address interms of latitute and longitude.Sonaar can be added to it for obstacle detection

Mydesign
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Mydesign   4/30/2013 1:02:38 AM
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"I beleive the concept of green car is removal of pollution and its an hybrid car"

Debera, concept of green car is based on pollution, irrespective of the nature of fuel it consumed. But obliviously, in today's situation gasoline can't provide a green energy.



Debera Harward
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Re: Green Energy
Debera Harward   4/30/2013 6:47:36 AM
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My design, you mean to say that green energy means that energy which produces less waste and causes little changes in the enviornment ?Is this energy produced by solar,wind and other alternative sources am i correct 

Mydesign
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Mydesign   5/2/2013 11:45:01 PM
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"green energy means that energy which produces less waste and causes little changes in the enviornment ?Is this energy produced by solar,wind and other alternative sources am i correct "

Debera, you are right up to an extent. Green energy means less pollution, ecco friendly etc, while usage and during the process of energy generation too. In that sense, solar & wind are more ecco friendly.

Jim_E
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A different green car from Phoenix Contact
Jim_E   4/25/2013 9:18:38 AM
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I prefer the Green 1970 El Camino that Phoenix Contact did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5LIAV6R-t4

http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaasgb.htm

It was at an engineering open house that I went to last year.  It has a nice setup for tailgate partying.  :)

 

kf2qd
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Or maybe they are trying to make a point...
kf2qd   4/25/2013 10:45:14 AM
Maybe Pheonix Contact is trying to make a point. The use of "Green" for many things that obviously aren't. And some of the hated non-green things have a much smaller footprint over their lifespan than do the "green" things. Green has become a sales buzzword and really means nothing. It is used to push many impractical "technologies" rather than to make a real difference.

 

How many of our supposed "Green" projects are really just an excuse to collect a subsidy, and really have very little "green" benefit?
 Is it really "green" or is it just a way on getting the public to give mw money so I can play with the latest fad???

J. Williams
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Re: Or maybe they are trying to make a point...
J. Williams   4/25/2013 11:37:03 AM
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Instead of using a Beetle they should have used one of those old two seater V-dubs, then you could call it a Chia Ghia.  ;-)

Charles Murray
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Dance floor
Charles Murray   4/25/2013 8:59:20 PM
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The dance floor sounds very similar to the Smart-City application that Liz Montalbano wrote about a couple of days ago.

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