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DN Insight: What Rare Earth Shortages Mean for Engineers, Part 4

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Jerry dycus
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Re: New ways of looking at an old problem
Jerry dycus   5/1/2012 11:45:12 AM
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               Sorry but RE motors are not close to many times smaller than other types.  They won't be replaced by ferrite magnets but by far better tech like Telsa's and the EV-1's motors that use no RE and smaller than a similar RE motor.   No?

               So much hype and little substance here. 

              The article on UC's is far worse, just pure hype by the manufacturer.  I can't wait to see his response. It should be enlightening for all of us.

   

jeffbiss
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Give it a rest.
jeffbiss   5/1/2012 11:50:00 AM
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Warren,

Come on, this is an engineering forum provided by an engineering magazine. There's really no use for your anti-government rants here.

The Principal Rare Earth Elements Deposits of the United States—A Summary of Domestic Deposits and a Global Perspective provides a discussion of the resources in North America, and they are not in large quantities.

Speculators do not stabilize prices, they create bubbles. Markets stabilize prices only when those bidding on the commodity have an actual stake in the commodity and not merely whether others will pay more for the commodity later than they did.

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Re: Rare Earch Magnets
cgosnell   5/1/2012 12:26:06 PM
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Unless the speculator can take delivery of teh materials in question, I think that he cannot 'hoard' materials, but will predict the future pirce of an item.

Now the increase in cost to us (the USA) recently may really indicate the 'real' devaluation of the Dollar vs. the Yuan.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: New Sources of Rare Earths
Rob Spiegel   5/1/2012 12:40:42 PM
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Good point, ChasChas. I would imagine a craft could be build in orbit, much like the space station was. Then rockets would only be necessary to ferry passengers back and forth to the craft. Getting the payload from the craft down to earth could be tricky.

ChasChas
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Re: Give it a rest.
ChasChas   5/1/2012 12:57:57 PM
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I can't speak for Warren, but in an earlier post, I mentioned that there are about 110,000 or more Chinese students here at any given time taking our technology to China. It would be fair to send these students home until China opens up thier rare earth markets again.

 

jeffbiss
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That doesn't change physics
jeffbiss   5/1/2012 1:30:11 PM
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The Chinese have been appropriating our technology with our full approval (remember IBM selling Lenovo their PC business?) due in large part to our policies developed to increase profits for corporations. We're our own worst enemy, the Chinese simply take advantage of our lack of foresight and greed. Also, our colleges make money catering to foreign students and I doubt that they'd not send lobbyists to Congress if there were any such attempt to send Chinese students home.

But that doesn't change the fact that rare earth elements are, well, rare. And even though china did break trade agreements, the results of the ruling are a bit cloudy as discussed in Specialists in Rare Earths Say a Trade Case Against China May Be Too Late.

The fact is that REE in China are the property of the Chinese, and as they are their resource, they have a good argument as to controlling their export and we chose to send our technology to China because it brought a few well connected people more wealth. Perhaps we'd have more trade leverage had we not given China so much in the first place.

Maybe it's time to re-engineer our society to be far more efficient such that we don't require REE and conventional magnets can produce what we need. Oh, and reconsider our trade and business policies such that they don't benefit only a few. As far as I'm concerned this is all about sustainability.

ChasChas
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Re: That doesn't change physics
ChasChas   5/1/2012 1:37:58 PM
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Gotcha! Who's ranting now? You owe me one, Warren.

jeffbiss
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No rant
jeffbiss   5/1/2012 1:47:52 PM
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Where's the rant? Facts are facts. If you don't agree, then argue your point.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Rare Earch Magnets
Rob Spiegel   5/1/2012 2:27:36 PM
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The rare earths problem will take care of itself over the next few years. Now that prices have gone up -- due to China's rationing -- it is now affordable to mine rare earths here and in Australia. Soon Afghanistan will come online as well. 

warren@fourward.com
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Re: Give it a rest.
warren@fourward.com   5/1/2012 3:35:42 PM
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Is that you,mom? Government IS the source of all our problems. Their central planning and over regulation causes constant and severe problems. They can't be ignored, and more of us need to be ranting and not just sitting on our butts complaining about those who are concerned. Mom.

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