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Wireless SD Card Connects Any Digital Camera to a Smart Device

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NadineJ
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nice solution
NadineJ   12/26/2013 10:02:22 AM
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As you mentioned Cabe, this would be great for expos and general research.  What about security?  Even a ten-digit code is hackable.  All of the press about people's very personal shots posted on sites without permission makes many more attuned to security on personal devices.

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tekochip   12/27/2013 8:16:49 AM
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I wonder about the security too.  I'm surprised at how people are so willing to allow the details of their lives to be broadcast all over the world and be collected by intelligence gathering agencies (including Google).  The IoT may be great for the NSA, but I don't think I want every picture I take to be entered into a facial recognition database.


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Pubudu   12/27/2013 1:53:54 PM
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Very true tekochip, I also strongly agree with you and it is very unnecessarily to put all the picks in to the web. Bu I feels that this will give a new life to all the old digital cameras. 

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shehan   12/31/2013 11:03:10 AM
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@Pubudu – What I like in your comment is that "this will give life to old digital cameras". Yes this is a new way of establishing a connection between your camera and your PC or other device. 

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Re: nice solution
taimoortariq   12/28/2013 12:52:21 AM
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Tekochip, its a nice point to raise. Perhaps, they should add more privacy features in there communication protocols, without the picture data being able to make it to the public internet.

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tekochip   12/28/2013 7:59:12 AM
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Exactly, if it could just serve up a page on my local network or even use SmartShare.

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Re: nice solution
taimoortariq   12/28/2013 7:23:28 PM
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Yes, that will do the trick if you are inside your private network. Still I hope it comes with some encryption algorithim, where every session can be initiated/encrypted by a particular password.

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Re: nice solution
a.saji   12/30/2013 5:09:54 AM
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@Taimoor: Yes it tightens the security aspects but if you are considering going beyond the private network, things will not be that feasible here.    

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Re: nice solution
taimoortariq   12/30/2013 11:47:30 AM
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Saji, I agree, but ot all depends on how much effort mobi is willing to put in security area.

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 12:20:35 PM
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@taimoortariq – I believe that they will have to take a step very soon else they will soon be less popular, and a competitor will come up with a better version with all the safety concerns addressed.  

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shehan   12/31/2013 11:58:58 AM
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@a.saji- All I could see is that Eye Fi is still not ready for external networks. If I am to use it I would never connect it to a public network. 

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 11:54:59 AM
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@tekochip – yes if your within a private network it would be much safe as your network acts as an extra layer of security. 

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 11:52:45 AM
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@taimoortariq – Yes I'm still seeing Eye fi at its initial stages, encryption is one crucial are they need to address.  

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 10:44:45 AM
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@tekochip – Its surely not a problem for people who openly publish these pictures on Facebook and other sites. But for people who believe on privacy this might be a concern. 

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Pubudu   12/31/2013 11:28:40 PM
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True shehan there should be a limit for everything even for the FB also, for me I am a person who lives the privacy but I also have an FB account cause that I know that what to share and what not to share. 

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 10:15:55 AM
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This is one great solution I was waiting for to use on my Canon EOS 600D. I am sure most professional photographers will know how hard it is to empty your memory card when you are in an event. 

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a.saji   12/31/2013 10:25:47 AM
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@shehan: Simple solution, have an extra SD card o two with you.              

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 10:17:42 AM
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@NadineJ – Well yes 10 digit code could be easily hacked using a brute force attack. To be frank I haven't thought about it until now. I think eye-fi team needs to work on the security aspect. 

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a.saji   12/31/2013 10:26:38 AM
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@shehan: Do you think that 10 digit code can be hacked that easily ? Why do you feel that way ?               

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battery life
NadineJ   12/26/2013 10:08:10 AM
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The website is done well.  It's direct and easy to navigate.  I couldn't find direct info about battery life.  How much shorter is the camera's battery-life with this device? 

We're all getting too used to carrying power packs, chargers and extra batteries for most of our devices.

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Re: battery life
Pubudu   12/27/2013 1:47:10 PM
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Thanks for sharing Cabe.

NadineJ, you are highlighting a great point cause that when it comes to the cameras life time of the battery is important.

Cabe, Is there a any way of switching Wi-Fi on and off. 

shehan
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Re: battery life
shehan   12/31/2013 11:01:28 AM
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@PubuduR – The camera I use has a setting for Eye FI card; this has an option that could turn off wifi on your eye fi card. I am sure this is for safety and battery savings, but I'm not sure if there are other ways to turn it off. 

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shehan   12/31/2013 11:06:36 AM
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@PubuduR – Not forgetting that Eye-fi does not work on all the old camera models, but you could have a look on the compatible camera

http://support.eye.fi/cameras/

shehan
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shehan   12/31/2013 10:40:58 AM
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@NadineJ- yes the website does not have the battery life comparison. It definitely needs power to keep the Wi-Fi connected. I think we need to ask it from them may be on the contact us page. 

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The original Eye-Fi
TJ McDermott   12/26/2013 9:43:18 PM
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I purchased the original Eye-fi for my daughter's camera.  It is simply terrific.  I hate dealing with cables to transfer pictures.  Popping the SD card out of the camera is better, but something as simple as the Eye-fi concept is a winner.  The MOBI one is going to be for me.

shehan
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Re: The original Eye-Fi
shehan   12/31/2013 10:42:45 AM
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@TJ McDermott – How was tee battery life of the device after Eye-fi installed? There should be a difference, but is it a significant change ?

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Re: The original Eye-Fi
TJ McDermott   12/31/2013 11:12:00 AM
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Shenan, I have no quantitative data for you.  It was not noticably decreased is all I can say.

shehan
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Re: The original Eye-Fi
shehan   12/31/2013 12:07:41 PM
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@TJ McDermott – all I wanted to hear was that there is no significant impact on the battery of the camera.

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WIRELESS SD CARD
bobjengr   12/27/2013 12:03:42 PM
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Cabe--Thank you for the information.   Is this a new development or has it been around awhile?  Really innovative and certainly useful.   I can definitely see applications when visiting a seminar, show, etc etc.  Security--are there secrets anymore?  With NSA, Google, and even commercial concerns data-gathering, do we really have absolute privacy? Will we ever again have privacy?   I think the only real secrets are thoughts not spoken or written.  Great post.

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Re: WIRELESS SD CARD
taimoortariq   12/28/2013 12:57:33 AM
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Bobjengr, the security issue is there, but then again to think of it this should not be a reason to not buy the device. If the person already owns a smart phone and if NSA etc are really spying this rigrously then he is already out there.

Pubudu
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Re: WIRELESS SD CARD
Pubudu   12/30/2013 11:29:59 PM
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No risk no glory taimoortariq. When locking at the benefits of having a smart phone in had it worth to take the risk for sure. 

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Re: WIRELESS SD CARD
a.saji   12/31/2013 10:19:58 AM
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@Pubudu: What is the risk you refer here ?          

Pubudu
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Re: WIRELESS SD CARD
Pubudu   12/31/2013 11:18:53 PM
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Risk of losing all the dada or the risk of losing the phone with all the data. 

shehan
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Re: WIRELESS SD CARD
shehan   12/31/2013 10:46:36 AM
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@bobjengr – as you clearly said there is very less privacy now, but does that mean we could have our photos open on a network that could be accessed by an outsider. 

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Range
Shadetree Engineer   12/27/2013 12:46:06 PM
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Did you happen to test how far away a phone or router can be and still get reliable file transfers? This ought to work with a networked drive too, but the most interesting way to use this is to use your phone to upload to a private cloud account. I would expect the security issues to be limited by the range of the Mobi & then it's up to how securely your phone can upload. If you're concerned about the NSA getting your pictures, then you shouldn't be on the net! Another way to look at the EyeFi cards concerning big brother is how lots of times people happen to photograph the police in public and the officers will demand that you hand over your camera, might take your memory card or just demand that you wipe the card. So you might think about removing the EyeFi sticker and replacing it with a generic-looking chinese label....

shehan
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Re: Range
shehan   12/31/2013 10:49:17 AM
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@Shadetree – good suggestion on keeping the card away from the authorities. I am sure the distance should be less comparative to other wifi devices as this transmission need power from camera battery, if the transmission is powerful it will drain the battery soon. 

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Re: Range
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 11:43:38 AM
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Oh no, I would never suggest keeping the card away from any authority! In fact, I would suggest that this is the card you do want to give them. As for range, I'm sure it's short, but it would be best to know by how much. Different cameras will have different ranges depending on how much the card is shrouded by the camera body. My LX5 has an all metal body including the door covering the memory card. I would begin a range test with a card reader that puts the EyeFi card out in the open air, just to get a theoritical maximum. The card reader would also be the best way to tap into the power supply to the card so as to measure how much current is drawn while in standby and while in file uploading.

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I love this but...
RichardBradleySmith   12/27/2013 1:42:43 PM
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I take 98 per cent of my pictures with my        phone. Now if the camera talked to the computer directly then I might buy, no wait, see above. This SD carde begs the question "why are cameras not Wifi? If people are going to pay for this after market put it in the camera. Duh. I will make a note to see if my router will talk to my phone when the Wifi is on, never thought of that!

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Re: I love this but...
shehan   12/31/2013 10:58:55 AM
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@Richard – I think not most of us make the best out of this gadget. I think its meant for professionals and photo maniacs (I am one of them). Most of us don't carry our camera everywhere we go, the easiest is the smartphones with camera. 

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Re: I love this but...
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 12:01:28 PM
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The Mobi is intended for more casual users, the ProX2 can upload RAW files, is able to transfer to any folder location on a local computer using a PC based software utility to constantly monitor for the EyeFi.

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Re: I love this but...
shehan   12/31/2013 12:05:59 PM
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@Shadeetree – usually a RAW file approximately weighs about 28MB. I wonder how the transfer rate would actually be. Most DSLRs get stuck for seconds while saving the RAW file to SD if the SD card does not support high speed R/W. I wonder how Eye fi card transfer the image while capturing another one. 

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Re: I love this but...
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 12:19:06 PM
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Good questions. The EyeFi cards are rated at class 10, but that's only rating at how fast the camera can write an image to the card while shooting. The WiFi connection will also have an upper speed limit depending on what sort of chip-set is inside the card. I see a few comments on here about using the EyeFi at conventions for news reporting. I would think that there is always occaision to photograph new products in RAW because you don't want to risk not capturing all the detail when evaluating product design. I suspect that the EyeFi is acting as an 'access point', which could mean that it's broadcasting it's WiFi ID for anyone to attempt connecting to. I think it would be nice to perform a more technical evaluation of this card.

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Re: I love this but...
shehan   12/31/2013 12:24:26 PM
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@shadetree – thanks for explaining, do you think the card has the capability to transmit and write to the card simultaneously. I haven't heard anything about a stack, cache memory, buffer.

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Re: I love this but...
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 12:27:08 PM
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This will totally kill any useage by serious professionals! If the card wont write any time it's uploading to your paired device! I'm thinking this article needs to link out to a more serious review.

taimoortariq
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great device
taimoortariq   12/28/2013 12:45:04 AM
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I just bought note 3, the best smart phone that is presently out there, and I finally thought that It will fulfill my wish of taking high quality pictures, but the need of having a DSLR is always there. The cameras on smart phones are surely not enough. This device seems to be a great gadget to have.

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Re: great device
Pubudu   12/30/2013 11:24:45 PM
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Exactly taimoortariq, also have same kind of experience. I also believe that the phone will not fulfill the need gap of a camera. To take a quality picture there should be a good camera with an optical zooming. 

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Re: great device
taimoortariq   12/31/2013 12:10:01 AM
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Yes,untill there comes a highly advanced optical technology in smart phones, which I am sure is a long way from here, we have to rely on our trusty DSLR cameras for quality shoots.

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Re: great device
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   12/31/2013 12:25:56 AM
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Right - remember when adding "Digital" to the product name or description meant the product was the best thing ever-?   Hi-Tech was good; but Digital was better.  Definitely, a theme in early 21st century marketing.

Except when purchasing cameras --- In that case, Optical beats Digital, every time.

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Re: great device
taimoortariq   12/31/2013 1:10:39 AM
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Lol, yes that is actually very true. Till now nothing can beat optical in camera domain

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Re: great device
NadineJ   12/31/2013 10:46:56 AM
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JimT-you are correct!  I'm researching DSLRs to buy a new camera.  Optical is better by far.

But, I'm sometimes nostalgic for the smell of fixer too.

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Re: great device
shehan   12/31/2013 10:53:00 AM
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@NadineJ  - look at the pixel rate, exposure settings, shutter speed etc before you make the decision on buying an SLR or DSLR. Once you get a good machine (DSLR) it's about choosing a good lens to make the best out of your camera. Personally I prefer Cannon DSLRs for most of the above reasons. 

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Re: great device
Pubudu   12/31/2013 11:33:46 PM
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Good advice Shehan But the range of optical zooming and the pixel rate is also should be considered. 

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Re: great device
Pubudu   12/31/2013 11:35:29 PM
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Wish DN & you all a very happy new year 2014

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Re: great device
a.saji   12/31/2013 10:23:34 AM
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@taimoor: IMO I feel phones are made to take calls whereas cameras are for pictures.             

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Re: great device
a.saji   12/31/2013 10:30:33 AM
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@pubudu: I still cant feel why people want their phones to be used as cameras here. 

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Re: great device
Pubudu   12/31/2013 11:23:21 PM
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Simply it is because for easy to handle. We all will not carry the cameras with us every time but we carry the phone even when we are shopping also. Some times its better to have just a VGA camera than nothing.  

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Re: great device
shehan   12/31/2013 11:49:50 AM
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@taimoortariq – well yes I too agree that you can never replace a DSLR with a smartphone. DSLRs are built for photography so their chipset and image sensors are specially designed with expertise. 

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Re: MicroSD please?
AnandY   12/30/2013 7:51:40 AM
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I still think that they should consider the manufacture of microSD Mobi . The size difference between the two is not that big and losing one is as easy as losing the other. On other hand, with the advent of wearable technology, it would be nice to have the same technology and make it fit into the new small devices.

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Re: MicroSD please?
shehan   12/31/2013 12:00:27 PM
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@AnandY- Great idea to have the card designed small in size, but do you think the wifi transmitter could fit in easily. I think this is one reason why we still don't see Eye fi micro SD cards.

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Re: MicroSD please?
shehan   12/31/2013 12:02:12 PM
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@AnandY- Most wearable technology now has inbuilt Bluetooth or wifi. So having an eyefi micro SD might not be the best choice. 

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Re: nice solution
AnandY   12/30/2013 8:03:13 AM
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In most ways, this new development is a great solution and will definitely have considerable impact. But it looks like it will have serious security issues. In this new age of mobility and BYOD, security is of the essence and with these issues there are bound to be many hiccups along the way.

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Re: nice solution
taimoortariq   12/30/2013 11:50:18 AM
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You are right, although its really hard to not accept this utility based purely on security issues. It just has to many pros than cons.

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notarboca   12/30/2013 2:24:46 PM
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You are right, taimoor.  The many pros outweigh the security issues for me.

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Re: nice solution
shehan   12/31/2013 12:22:13 PM
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@notarboca – for me it all depends on what purpose do you intend to buy this, is it for leisure and sharing on your personal network only. Then 00 should say this is a great piece of device. 

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Re: nice solution
shehan   12/31/2013 12:15:10 PM
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@AnandY – Security is an essential aspect when we look at an open network and sending files over the air from one device to another. Same applies to BOYD users and administrators.

 

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truly remarkable, when you know how WiFi really works
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   12/30/2013 10:41:07 PM
In the engineered design of a WiFi transceiver, there are three main sections in the block diagram; the antenna, the modem transceiver, and the power source.  For Eye-FI to embed these primary blocks, coupled with 16GB of flash storage; and furthermore, to enable the full functionality of airborne signal transmission thru the existing 9-point contacts of the SD/MMC protocol, (originally specified only for data transmission only; but which now incorporate and execute transmitted signal over the air); well, this is truly an innovation, of which casual observers may be missing the engineering mastery.  This is remarkable.  It's not surprising the transmissibility range is only 30-45 feet.  That alone, is a 'feat' in itself.

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Re: truly remarkable, when you know how WiFi really works
shehan   12/31/2013 12:26:38 PM
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@JimT- thanks for explain the design and the internal components so well. I never imagined they could put in a Wi-Fi transmitter inside such a small flat surface. 

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Re: truly remarkable, when you know how WiFi really works
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   12/31/2013 6:00:58 PM
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And that includes a flat, 2D 'printed' antenna as the radiating element, which takes up a significant portion of the very limited X-Y layout area.  About the size of a postage stamp, as you can envision the size of the SD/MMC card overall.

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Serious useage
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 1:05:42 PM
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The X2 line of cards is probably the easiest way to limit questions about security and shooting performance. The ProX2 adds a few more features that the Mobi does not have. First take note that these cards are 2.4GHz devices, so they will not work if you have disabled 802.11G on your 802.11N router! On the plus side, the X2 will work as an N class wifi device on 2.4GHz.

 

Another point to consider is that the ProX2 does not use a 10 digit activation code. Also, for Mobi users, I don't think the activation code is a security risk, it's 'just' a card activation. Your wifi network will continue to use standard password lengths and that password will also need to be set inside the card during it's setup.

 

The ProX2 has the ability to connect to AdHoc networks, which means it can directly connect to a laptop without needing a router to act as a middle-man. This will be more useful to serious photographers. The range is up to 20 feet, so a laptop can be parked in a gearbag and does not need to remain slung on your shoulder to perform uploads.

 

The ProX2 has the ability to auto-delete files on card, when the card gets full. This is turned off by default. You can choose to set this anywhere between 10 & 90%

 

You can have more than one camera shooting in field, linking to a laptop.

 

On the downside, the cards have issues being reported by other blog sites. So I'm not sure about serious work using this. Besides, the ProX2 is a class 6 card and I can't go backwards from using my class 10 cards!

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Re: Serious useage
tekochip   12/31/2013 1:58:40 PM
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Sure enough, the ProX2 does not require the user to keep pictures on the cloud or use the vendor's app, you can retrieve your pictures directly from the card.  Now I like the gadget.
 
Perhaps I'm a little pessimistic, but I've already seen targeted ads scrolling across the bottom of applications that I paid money for.  Then there are the apps that suddenly won't work without access to the web, again, even after you've paid actual money for the app.  Lastly, and probably first of all, there's the entire loss of privacy.  While it seems that nobody is bothered by the aspect of allowing unknown individuals or government agencies to thumb through your family album, perhaps the scenario of a photographer losing rights to a creation because the fine print in the frequently ignored EULA states that all submissions become the property of the software developer is more frightening.
 
Read starting at section 15
 
http://www.eye.fi/legal/eula-and-tos
 
 


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Re: Serious useage
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 2:10:28 PM
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I would ask the EyeFi support for questions regarding copyright issues to proprietary imagery. I doubt they would impose any nonsense like that, but you should ask them.

I saw that you can use the card to upload directly to a folder on your hard drive, so there's no need for any access to the internet. I've also seen a few blogs stating that AdHoc networking this card can be a bit buggy, so having a battery-powered router might be a good idea. It's still going to be a challenge to say why any EyeFi card is better than just having extra cards. A pro ought to have the budget to carry several 64 gig class 10 cards to shoot video properly.

 

EyeFi also offers their own cloud-hosting services, which can be used to download to any other media site. I would ask them about security for uploading to that while in the middle of a hacking paradise such as big conventions.

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Re: Serious useage
tekochip   12/31/2013 2:19:29 PM
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You have to read those agreements:

 

15.     Responsibility for and Use of Content.



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Re: Serious useage
Shadetree Engineer   12/31/2013 2:37:45 PM
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Yup, you sure do! So, in addition to any use of the EyeFi cards involving all sort of extra technical complications, you lose control over copyright concerns.

 

Well it seems all the issues are linked to the nature of a openly networked web. Perhaps the chinese will figure out how to design a quantuum-entangled data link to write files directly to a network drive on the other side of the planet without needing any internet connection. I'm sure the pentagon would love to send data anywhere without any outside connections. But even better if VOIP phones could be setup to dial out from your home-based net connection allowing you to get a perfect 'signal' from anywhere on the planet.

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Another great one
Yumi   1/7/2014 1:37:35 AM
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I've got this eye-fi before I found that RavPower 5-in-1 filehub is performing better than that one. Though it's a bigger than a light chip, it can be used as WIFI hotspot, battery charger and NAS server. The most I like it is how convenient it transfer my files from a phone to SD/USB. It's a valuable stuff you deserve to get one from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AQUMZRA

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