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Pneumatic-Based Trash Disposal System Eyed in NYC

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GTOlover
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Neat idea, but quadruple the cost.
GTOlover   10/21/2013 10:38:33 AM
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This is actually a neat idea. Sort of reminds me of the little chutes you use at the drive up bank teller. Stick your money into the little transport shuttle, put it in the tube, and 'swoop' your money is gone! Sort of like this garbage idea.

Only thing I would change, this is NY politics so the cost estimate is probably quadruple the $10 to $11 million!

apresher
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Logistics
apresher   10/21/2013 4:53:19 PM
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I can't even imagine the logistics in trying to make this happen in NYC. Not to mention to politics as well.

Charles Murray
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Re: Logistics
Charles Murray   10/21/2013 6:01:36 PM
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I agree, Al. Doing it in a crowded, highly-built-up city like New York is mind-boggling. Then again, it's been done previously in Barcelona, Paris and London, which must be equally complex.  

apresher
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System in NYC
apresher   10/21/2013 6:55:05 PM
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Chuck,  Since you're a Chicago guy, you know about all of the "systems" that are under the city of Chicago.  Can't imagine how to deal with that complexity.

Elizabeth M
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Re: Neat idea, but quadruple the cost.
Elizabeth M   10/22/2013 5:05:44 AM
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That's exactly the idea behind the technology, GTOlover. It's exactly that sort of pneumatic system it's modeled on. You're probably right about the politics, but I think it's a pretty good idea.

Elizabeth M
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Elizabeth M   10/22/2013 5:10:58 AM
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Yes, Al, I'm sure it would be a big mess, but it has been done in other cities in an incremental way--even in London, near Wembley--so I think it could be possible. It would have to happen the way Miller describes, with different Lego-type branches the eventually will connect.

Elizabeth M
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Elizabeth M   10/22/2013 5:21:05 AM
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Yes, that was my previous point, Chuck. I didn't read your comment before I commented. I think it would be difficult and complex, but manageable if the right type of people were handling the logistics. But that could be a tall order when so much bureacracy is involved. Miller was quite knowledgeable, though, and well spoken, and seemed to have a good handle on the logistics having been the policy manager for the sanitation department already. If he thinks it could work, I would tend to agree with him.

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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WOW! .... What a STUPENDOUS Idea!
OLD_CURMUDGEON   10/22/2013 10:36:56 AM
Having worked in the NYC metro area for several years, and continuing to hear of all the shenanigans that goes on in their local politics, I think the BEST place to "test" as system such as this would be to put the FIRST capture port @ the steps of City Hall.  The first load of garbage the system collects could be all the politicians who are exiting the chamber!!!!!

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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History shows "acceptance" is the challenge
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   10/22/2013 12:34:15 PM
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Every new idea or technology always has two hurdles to overcome: Feasibility and Acceptance.

This system is clearly feasible as evidenced by hundreds of thousands of drive-up banks and pharmacies. Only the scale has to change, as the pipe diameters and the back-pressure would be increased.

Acceptance (Politics) is almost always harder than Feasibility (Engineering), which has been shown to be true in countless examples in history; looking backward: cellular networks, Interstate highways, telephone lines, electricity grids, indoor plumbing. Why do people always show such resistance to obvious beneficial advancements-?

Tool_maker
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Cost Savings?
Tool_maker   10/22/2013 12:48:16 PM
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  I find it hard to believe the payback on something like this would ever be realized. As an earlier poster said, $10-$11 million wil probably be quadrupled." Then you have the sanatation workers union which would probably demand and get an observer at every inlet, discharge and junction along the way. How would that square with replacing a system that is already bought and paid for?

  Each system will require maintenance and I think it will be cheaper to work on a truck as opposed to finding someone willing to crawl through a network of tubes etc. I can see how people would abuse such a system and try and cram all matter of things down an inlet and bring the whole thing to a screaming halt.

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