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Jobs Was a Genius; the Movie Not So Much

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naperlou
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The ups AND downs
naperlou   8/28/2013 9:37:46 AM
Rich, Jobs was an interesting character.  On the other hand, there is one thing that has not changed at Apple.  They create closed systems that never take all the market.  I can think of one exception, the iPOD, but this device has been basically superseded.  The iPhone share does very well, but its share is shrinking.  Their Macs started to get some traction, but now have fallen back to about 5% of the market.  They did very well by selling premium gear, and then by innovating with the store idea.  That is the real innovation, not the devices. 

I am interested in this becuase of Microsoft's situation.  I also was at IBM after they had started to recover from a near death experience.  Both of those companies are having problems with perception of their future prospects, but both remain very profitable (and currently have similar market caps).  Apple went through a couple of near death experiences.  Jobs experience is an interesting tale for corporate America.

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ttemple   8/28/2013 1:43:55 PM
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I believe in the end that the "open" systems will overtake both Apple and Microsoft in many market segments.  I don't think that either will be going away soon, but they will be challenged by open source stuff.

I have been watching with interest since my son recently switched from an Apple phone to an Android.  The first couple of days were good, but on the third day I thought he was going to crack and go back to the Apple.  He stuck it out, and somewhere before the 15 day "trial" period, he decided to stick with the Android based phone.  I am monitoring the situation to get some objective feedback on the actual differences between the Apple and Android phones.  His experience interests me, because he doesn't really have an axe to grind one way or the other.  He is just a user that is looking for a product to meet his needs, and he happened to use Apple first, and now is trying Android.

 

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Charles Murray   8/28/2013 3:51:55 PM
Rich, I'm surprised to hear that the movie treated Jobs in that way. Given his popularity and so soon after his passing, I thought they would endow him with a god-like stature.

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NadineJ   8/28/2013 5:50:36 PM
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I'm not surprised at all.  Apple needs to survive and thrive without Jobs.  It would be beneficial if people believe that his part was smaller than it may have been. 

From an outsider's perspective, when I invested in Apple (1999 or '98, pre ipod), Jobs was the heart of the company.  It wasn't clear the he was the brains.  It was clear that Apple attracted an amazing group that really believed in something new.

I don't doubt that we'll see an evolution of innovation from Apple in the future.  The expectation that it should be the same level and spectacle that we saw before is unrealistic and unfair to the next generation of designers and leaders.

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a.saji   8/29/2013 12:31:54 AM
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@Charles: Yes surprise indeed but I feel the movie cannot depict a character of an exact person since movies are being created based on a particular script. So they have to adjust it accordingly to match the script and that will change the things. We have to remember that movies are being done for commercial purposes.  

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Actual PROOF that Jobs was a genius?
oldtimer8080   8/29/2013 2:15:48 PM
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For the real proof ( by Engineering standards ) you need an IQ test evaluation before establishing the name GENIUS to any person.

Does anyone ACTUALLY KNOW what Jobs scored on a Wechsler or Stanford-Benet test?

I know I am in the genius catagory, as I still test out at 153 over the norm 100.

I ( and other Engineers should ) take offense at calling anyone a genius without qualifying proof.

After all, isn't that how engineering works?

 

 

 

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Ann R. Thryft   8/29/2013 2:53:24 PM
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Thanks for the review, Rich. What's funny is I read several critics' reviews that implied the treatment in this movie did emphasize what a genius he was, but that the actor's skills were not up to the role. Interesting to see such diversity of interpretation. I also wonder if those of us who were there would see this in a very different way from critics who not only weren't there, but are also not in the industry.

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tekochip   8/29/2013 3:08:18 PM
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That reminds me of a Firesign Theater sketch, "presenting honest stories of working people as told by rich Hollywood stars."


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a.saji   8/29/2013 11:54:50 PM
Films does not do justice to real characters. This is a good example for it. I think there should be a proper law enforced before making films / documentaries based on real characters. Otherwise there will be no justice done most of the time.       

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akwaman   8/30/2013 4:03:01 PM
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@a.saji: Movies are art, and how do you make a law governing art?  In America, we have laws to PROTECT artists and their works and the FREEDOM of speech. There is this thing called "Artistic license" (which is not a law OR an actual license), but is a term used to explain why what you see is not always exactly like the real world, but a person's INTERPRETATION as they see it.  You don't have to agree with it, but it is what it is. If you want to learn about Steve Jobs from HIS point of view, read his book, where his own slant is put in print.  While watching a movie, you need to consider that not everything you see is accurate.  Also consider that is is nearly impossible to give a complete rendition of anyone's life in 2 hours.

 

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