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Want to Generate Energy? Go Fly a Kite

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Cabe Atwell
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Re: Kite Energy Documentary
Cabe Atwell   5/24/2014 1:40:55 AM
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Ben Franklin would be jealous, however how reliable could the kites be? You would need a strong constant wind to keep them flying and enough people on the ground to keep them aloft when the fall.

Elizabeth M
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Re: Kite Energy Documentary
Elizabeth M   1/24/2013 6:53:33 AM
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Thanks for your comment, chasewhh. Your documentary sounds interesting and closely related to this project. I will definitely give it a look. Good luck!

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Re: Go Fly a Kite
Elizabeth M   1/24/2013 6:51:42 AM
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Thanks for your comment, bobjengr. I hear what you're saying and think there are a lot of issues with this idea to be solved before it would actually be viable. But if anyone can come up with answers, the Germans can! They are doing remarkable things in wind energy. I guess time will tell.

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Kite Energy Documentary
chasewhh   1/24/2013 1:00:06 AM
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Great article! I've been working on a documentary exploring whether airborne wind energy technology is a viable alternative energy source for the world to embrace. Please help spread the word on this dynamic and visually stunning documentary:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/757755978/awe-documentary?ref=category

 

Synopsis:

AWE (Airborne Wind Energy) is a film about a new technology with an exciting future and a surprising past.  Inventors worldwide have a goal: Cheaper sustainable energy on a global scale. AWE inventors are driven by the huge potential of the upper atmosphere. Permanently recharging, high speed, high altitude power is an irresistible challenge. The solution is closer than many people dare to dream. Join in, lets explore this enticing and sociable engineering adventure.

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Go Fly a Kite
bobjengr   11/20/2012 4:28:25 PM
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I always have difficulty with what is and is not practical.  Years ago, I thought airbags were the most illogical devices known to man and yet today, they save countless lives each year.  This approach to harvesting the wind is definitely unique but as others have mentioned, the concept seems to be laden with complexities that would make the application very unreliable.   Obviously a complement to existing power sources, I would imagine a "hit-or-miss" situation at best. Very interesting though and thanks Elizabeth for writing about this one.

Scott Orlosky
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Re: Sounds like we're out to harvest investors rather than the wind...
Scott Orlosky   11/19/2012 10:46:57 PM
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I have to agree.  As much as I am a fan of alternative energy schemes - this one just seems to have too many nested if . . . then requirements to be ultimately viable.

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Benjamin Franklin kite story
Dave Palmer   11/16/2012 3:18:28 PM
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While the Benjamin Franklin kite story is known to just about everyone who went to elementary school in the U.S., it's almost certainly untrue.  Franklin wrote an article suggesting a version of the experiment, but he didn't claim to have actually performed it himself -- and if he had done it the way it is usually described, it's unlikely that he would have survived.

That being said, I teach a U.S. citizenship class, and always mention the kite story to my students (along with the story about George Washington and the cherry tree, which is also probably a legend).  First, because it's a story that most people who grew up in the U.S. know, and is a part of our popular culture.  Second, because Franklin's scientific fame helps explain why he was chosen to be the U.S. diplomat to France during the Revolutionary War, which is what USCIS thinks you ought to know about him.

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Sounds like we're out to harvest investors rather than the wind...
Sawmill Engineer   11/13/2012 9:28:04 PM
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"the faster a kite flies the harder it pulls".  Meh.  Last I checked, kites were pretty much stationary in the sky and the wind moved past them.   This statement makes no sense.

Yes, if you pull in the kite it will pull harder because you are increasing the relative wind speed the kite sees.  But a kite is basically a stationary device that provides lift when air moves past it.  

It strikes me as they are chasing an awkward way of achieving power with railway tracks and the like.

A far simpler way would be to build the kite so you could dynamically play with the lift and drag, and operate the kite in "cycles".  You would set up your kite cable winches to be able to spool the cable in and out, and any necessary braking on the winch drum(s) would be converted to useful energy. 

The first part of a cycle would be with the kite flying high, at the desired high altitude, (read: higher wind speeds) but pulled as close in to the winch point as possible.   Now, change the kite characteristics to get maximum drag while just maintaining the desired altitude.  Begin letting out cable and harvest the energy from the pull of the kite.  Depending on the airspace you are allowed to operate your kite in, this may be many thousands of feet downrange.

Once the kite has reached the far end of the cycle, you need to bring it back to the starting point. Presumably, from the data the company has provided, there are lower wind speeds at lower altitudes.  Therefore you pilot the kite, again by playing with lift and drag on the kite, to minimize the drag and allow just enough lift to bring it back upwind with your winches, presumably expending less energy than your gained by the wind towing the kite downwind. 

Sounds like a cumbersome way to harvest wind energy.

 

 

 

William K.
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Kite generating systems
William K.   11/13/2012 9:05:23 PM
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The version of the kite-type system that I saw that made more sense put the turbines up in the kite. The generators could be run as motors to fly up into the wind area, thgen revert to generating power from the high altitude wind. The major problem with this approach was the transmission of the power back to the ground. My suggestion is to use quite high voltage and separate cables for each phase. Then you could have a twenty kilovolt transmission line with fifty feet of separation. It really is an interesting concept, and less complex than flying a kite in circles. I was never able to do that in a sailboat, so why should it be any easier with a kite.

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Re: End of the Track
tekochip   11/13/2012 6:32:57 PM
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No, mrmikel, most General Aviation flights are still Visual Flight Rules.  Commercial Aviation typically flies Instrument Flight Rules and at altitudes that wouldn't cause any problems to this system, but small planes would have real issues.

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