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Ground Is Not Ground the World Around

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Cliff Harris
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Re: Separate Grounds
Cliff Harris   8/28/2013 3:17:02 AM
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The PC boards were laid out by a consultant. He had almost no communication with the engineer. He autorouted everything and did minimal checking. Understandable, as "time is money".

tekochip
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Separate Grounds
tekochip   8/27/2013 6:07:12 PM
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 This can be a bit of a pain with some software and and the typical solution is to create a component that is nothing more than copper attaching the grounds.  I had an engineer that created such a part, and placed the copper joining all the grounds on a new layer.  This was a great idea, but after he left the company the next engineer didn't know that the Gerber files needed to have that extra layer included.  That was a darn expensive mistake.


Nancy Golden
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Potential for Unwanted Ground Loops
Nancy Golden   8/27/2013 1:22:51 PM
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Grounding can be a tricky beast - Avoiding unintentional ground loops is often conceived and avoided at the design level. Looks like that software needs an additional library!

bob from maine
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Re: cuaght by the software
bob from maine   8/27/2013 10:49:22 AM
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From a design standpoint, separating anlog, digital, and different power supply gnd/returns is vital to the integrity of the circuit and isolation from noise. Measuring voltage on a 12V line requires you connect the scope-probe ground to the 12V return, likewise the 5V and 24V busses. If the designer isolated those lines, there is good reason to believe they should stay isolated. I can't argue with your success, but I'd guess that the problems you were trying to fix still exist and will evidence themselves in degraded performance and/or damaged components.

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cuaght by the software
naperlou   8/27/2013 9:23:43 AM
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Cliff, this is an interesting situation.  The engineer was trying to keep track of the different grounds, but the software didn't know that.  What he did made sense, but then again, so did what the software did. 

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