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Nancy Golden
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Nancy Golden   12/11/2012 10:10:47 AM
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Interesting story Ted and great detective work on finding the source of that signal! I especially appreciated your explanation on scalar energy - I had no idea that it existed and that it could not be stopped by conventional shielding methods. Makes you wonder about possible applications!

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Thinking outside the box
Ann R. Thryft   12/11/2012 1:29:02 PM
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My favorite part is "Conventional microwave theory says this was impossible, but there it was. Clearly these were not conventional microwaves at all." It's all too easy to stop at the limits of what we've been taught is conventional theory, whether that microwaves, robotics, materials, alternative energy, or just about anything else. I've sometimes been told that a particular phenomenon I'm observing is impossible because YXZ theory says so, yet I'm looking right at it. Like the Sherlock Ohms columns (and their namesake) demonstrate, there's usually a logical explanation, it just requires thinking outside the box.

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Re: Thinking outside the box
tedtw   12/11/2012 2:49:10 PM
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Thank you for your kind remarks! All my life I've been thinking outside the box. Years ago it became clear to me that the only way to make real progress and innovation is to think that way. Scalar energy has a downside - those that intentionally generate it and work near it have suffered a negative health impact. Tesla wanted to use scalar energy to power everything wirelessly. What he didn't understand is that it would quickly sicken the population. Scalar energy with sufficient power can alter DNA, too.

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Charles Murray   12/11/2012 5:17:10 PM
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Great story, Ted. It's interesting that the source of pulse disappeared after you identified it, presumably never reappearing. Any theories as to why the signals suddenly showed up in the first place?

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tedtw   12/11/2012 6:19:18 PM
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Charles:

What's curious is that this signal was not present before, or I would have been told about it. In fact, I asked that question at the time. A few years after this happened, a pilot told me that there are classified signals generated at airports. Public usually doesn't even know they exist. But every transmitted signal is there for a reason. As such, there must be a very important reason for this low frequency, DC level-shifting signal to be transmitted from a radar dish used for air traffic control. Since this signal originates from a FAA (and FCC authorized) controlled facility, logically it would seem that these agencies must be aware of it and have authorized it.

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Re: Thinking outside the box
Ann R. Thryft   12/13/2012 1:07:36 PM
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Wow, this sounds like it could be the subject of another Sherlock Ohms--although maybe one that's not possible to solve with any solid conclusions.



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Re: Thinking outside the box
vandamme   12/18/2012 10:08:37 PM
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I've been designing, building, and operating military radar transmitters since 1968. The pilot who told you that radar antennas emit "classified radiation" was incorrect.

I hope to see more April 1 articles in Design News. they are hilarious!

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Re: Thinking outside the box
OLD_CURMUDGEON   12/12/2012 10:36:15 AM
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In reading this blog, and WITHOUT sounding like a paranoid fool, or someone who has gone off the deep end, I IMMEDIATELY wondered (even before I finished reading the article) IF this scalar energy is in fact one of the root causes of cancer in animals (humans, too!)  The fact that there use seems to be cloaked in a very serious shield of secrecy could lead one to believe that while their use is undesirable, their use is also desirable for "national security" purposes.

The other part of this equation for me is that since man's genius has "invented" this technology, maybe it also exists in nature due to some cosmic/solar forces, and this signal strength is naturally causing DNA alterations which lead to disease, not just cancers, but others as well.

I have a personal reason for this opinion.  My father worked on RADAR units for the U.S. Navy during the early days of WW II.  He was stationed in Morocco in a "PBY" outfit.  In the early 1940s, the mere mention of the word RADAR would have gotten you in very serious trouble.  At any rate, I'm sure that the ill effects of this microwave energy was not fully understood at that time.  He died at age 59 of pancreatic cancer almost 40 years ago.  Could this be due to the microwaves AND/OR the prolific use of carbon tetrachloride as a contact cleaning agent which the Navy used by the gallons to clean sensitive electronics?

Who knows??

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Re: Thinking outside the box: understanding Scalar
electronrodeo   12/12/2012 3:36:44 AM
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SCALAR WAVES EXPLAINED: For those of us that are interested in this fascinating and obscure topic, scalar energey and its principles are well explained in the writtings of Col.  Tom Bearden. the best synopisis i've found was an interview which expalined it in lay language. I'd be VERY interested in starting a forum with others here who might share this interest as my techinal depth is limited. This is clearly something very signifciant and very outside the box of conventional thinking... Enjoy .

Www.cheniere.org/interview/1991.htm

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Re: Thinking outside the box: understanding Scalar
electronrodeo   12/12/2012 3:45:42 AM
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APLOGOGIES  The correct link address  for Tom Bearden is

www.cheniere.org/misc/interview1991.htm

 

 

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Re: Thinking outside the box: understanding Scalar
warren@fourward.com   12/12/2012 1:43:40 PM
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I looked at his website, minus the complete address you gave as it didn't work.  A typing error, undoubtedly.

I found it interesting the first thing he did was quote Einstein:

"...the scientist makes use of a whole arsenal of concepts which he imbibed practically with his mother's milk; and seldom if ever is he aware of the eternally problematic character of his concepts. He uses this conceptual material, or, speaking more exactly, these conceptual tools of thought, as something obviously, immutably given; something having an objective value of truth which is hardly even, and in any case not seriously, to be doubted.

...in the interests of science it is necessary over and over again to engage in the critique of these fundamental concepts, in order that we may not unconsciously be ruled by them."

It makes me wonder how so many scientists and engineers can dismiss the idea of Intelligent Design and adhere to this idea of Einstein's?  It seems so self limiting...

 

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Re: Thinking outside the box: understanding Scalar
electronrodeo   12/12/2012 3:48:21 PM
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Thanks Warren, as astute observation worth sharing, and the main point of Bearden's scientific position.

The truth is always hidden in plain sight; our understanding is the limiting filter that prevents us from grasping the possibilities. Scientific laws and theory are only our best guess at any given time with in the given paradigm.  If anyone knows how to generate and detect scalar signals I am interested in exploring further.

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Ordinary waves.
GeorgeG   12/12/2012 9:40:08 AM
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From my University days: mice with neural probes implanted; half a block away a company making and testing microwave and radar based missile launch systems ... duoh.

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Battar   12/13/2012 2:24:40 AM
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Just a paranoid thought - if this signal was part of a defence related experiment, should you have published the article at all? You might be making public - to an international audience - info that for our own benefit should be withheld from certain other entities.

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IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
jlbraun   12/13/2012 9:39:17 AM
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If the radar was mistuned or too wideband for a particular frequency, you could easily recieve a normal signal only 2 miles away if you were in a wild node of the dish, even underground.

At only 2 miles, you also could have been on the same power grid as the radar and they were dumping transients onto the line.

This is far more likely than immediately jumping to blaming a phemonena that has not been shown to exist.

Woo like this diminishes the credibility of DN.

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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
tedtw   12/13/2012 10:06:17 AM
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Scalar waves are not woo-woo, but are real. With these waves the E and B fields are in phase. I have personally witnessed these waves creating problems at NASA back in 1994. It really is true - you cannot easily prevent them from interfering or appearing in circuitry. Tesla became an expert at generating these waves. Problem is, if his power transmission system was implemented the health of the area population would degrade considerably.


As for power line interference, the lab with the bipolar square wave pulse was never on the same grid as the airport. Both locations have their own substations, providing a high degree of line isolation. In any case, it would be a stretch for this perfectly symmetrical waveform to be coming in on a power line and appearing on the screen of a high end Tektronix scope. Finally, the bipolar square wave was free  of spurious frequencies, and switched polarity every single time the dish came back around. We watched it for about 10 minutes. How it was generated I do not know.

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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
jlbraun   12/13/2012 3:41:21 PM
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"Scalar" waves are the product of Bearden's fertile imagination.

"Scalar" waves are simply waves as presented in the reactive near field where E and B are out of phase as the energy in the antenna couples to 377 ohms of free space and they come into phase as a normal propagating wave.  No new extensions to Maxwell are needed.


(and the solutions to Maxwell in far field have E and B *in* phase, not 90 degrees out of phase as this article - they are out of phase in the *near* field.  Such an elementary error is disappointing.)


Similar "scalar" waves are present in transformer coils and capacitors, which can be considered as 2 antennas very close to one another in their near field.  One can hardly say that the operation of a transformer or capacitor requires "scalar" extensions to Maxwell!


SLF/ELF/LF/VLF below 300kHz is regularly used to communicate with submarines, as they can penetrate hundreds of meters of water.  In the case of ELF/SLF the *entire planet* is in the near field so E and B are going to be out of phase. 

Here's a neat pamphlet on it from the FAS.  You just need very big antennas, good ground coupling, and LOTS of power to overcome the fact that your transmit antenna at 46km long is a tiny fraction of the wavelength.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/fs_clam_lake_elf2003.pdf

The receiving antennas on the subs for SLF/ELF/LF are simply small loops of wire - pretty much transformer coils - or very long wires unspooled from the fantail.  If you have loops or planes or lines in a low frequency circuit that happen to be oriented the right way, those can pick up LF in the nearfield, at 2 miles you'd be in the nearfield for anything under 100KHz and could easily pick it up underground.

Here's a good explanation of why "scalar" waves are simply nearfield.

http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html

And yes, you can shield just fine in nearfield of LF/ELF.  The reason people say "ZOMG you can't!" is because they can only conceive of shields as grounded metal boxes, which if you have a nearfield emission coming from current loops (which most of them are - AC motors and things), its emission will zip right through a grounded metal box around it as it induces a closed current loop on the box instead of trying to pull charge from ground.  The reason you so rarely hear about LF EMI is that very few people operate sensitive circuits in the tens of hertz range, and if they do, they are likely in a commercial product and are well shielded against powerline frequencies anyway, so it's only the hobbyists and researchers running ELF stuff on the bench that run into this.

Instead, you can use lossy ferromagnetic materials, I have a box full of little stick-on lossy ferromagnetic buttons and flexible sheets that work very well for shielding against LF in low frequency analog circuits.  In fact we used one last year to shield a sensitive opamp circuit against a 180Hz emission from a 3 phase AC motor driver - just squooshed a little thumbnail sized piece of the stuff over the feedback loop area on the PCBA and the spurs disappeared.

It's made by these guys.  http://www.magnetic-shield.com/


Go tell your neuroscientist about mu-metal magnetic shielding.  It will fix their problem.

ELF is fascinating stuff, don't pollute it with this woo "scalar" business.

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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
CTHP   12/15/2012 4:07:53 PM
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Yes, I agree articles like this that make their way to this forum do harm to EDNs credibility. Even before I read the Comments section, I had to peek at a calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st and someone's idea of a joke. Congratulations to jlbraun and jfowkes for being the first to bring the bright light of reality to the post.

A simple Google search will reveal a great many characteristics assigned to this 'energy' with fantastic claims of free energy (zero-point energy), unlimited energy, healing the body of all disease, universal healthcare and best of all, the 'energy' exists in a "4-dimensional realm" and is "shrouded in secrecy". The conspiracy theory sites are thick with these claims and strangely enough, there are not any scientific or academic websites backing up these claims with verifiable, testable, experimental or peer-reviewed data.

Most of us probably have decades of experience and education and still have not seen, heard or measured these fantastic effects before. If it has been around forever, and its secrets decoded by Tesla and others, why wouldn't industry have taken advantage of it by now? Isn't it more likely (Occam's razor) that the propagated microwave signal, transmitter, or power supplies coupled the bipolar signal into the sensitive underground amps by some other simple means? And regarding the signal's coincidental or mysterious disappearance, how many forum posts in the recent past conclude with something like closing a hatch, door or access panel to attenuate the offending noise?  

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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
William K.   12/18/2012 8:27:01 PM
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Undetected coupling mechanisms are certainly a very rational explanation, and it would have been very educational to understand the exact path of entry. But a system not specificly designed to reject that sort of interference is likely to suffer from it on occasion. BUt the appearance of signals underground is nothing new, cave explorers have been sending signals much deeper underground, using much less power, for many years. 

I recall an interesting "discovery" made and published by a consultant that I was working with. It related to the "instant" travel of an acoustic wave through steel, with very little loss. When I tried to duplicate his results in our lab, using a more sophisticated setup and accurate instrumentation, I was unable to duplicate his results until one of my ground connections failed. At that point our waveforms matched very well. But the signal was arriving by electrical conduction, not by acoustical transport.

From that point onward, every one of my experiments included a reality check, to verify that the results changed if the ground was disconnected. Sometimes we can learn from the mistakes that others make.  

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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
akili   12/13/2012 1:23:28 PM
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I wouldn't like to comment on the science behind scalar waves as I simply don't know enough about the topic, but I can vouch for the ubiquity of radar signals when close to the antenna.  A while ago I wrote about my own experience ("Earth Station had a Screw Loose") where just a simple mistake in assembling waveguide allowed airport radar signals to break into satellite receive channels.  With peak powers often in MW range, even attenuation through concrete might not shield really sensitive gear.  Also, it's amazing how even the best circuits can exhibit unexpected properties when operated outside normal limits - hence unexpected demodulation perhaps?

I'd like a pound for every time I've come across an odd effect and reflected that if I'd set out to design a circuit to do that exact function I wouldn't have known where to start, yet I've accomplished it by accident.  It happens less now that I use circuit simluator software though, so I'm not really hankering for the old days!

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Re: IIRC, scalar waves are woo.
jfowkes   12/13/2012 3:47:13 PM
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Yes, Scalar Waves are woo. A few minutes on Google will confirm that. (If yuu're sceptical about the veracity of google results, be more sceptical about scalar waves).

Forgetting the physical reasons why they're woo (see below post), there's a basic economic argument. If they were real, someone would have made money out of them by now.

I too feel that this particular story diminishes the credibility of EDN.

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Not really.
bklein   12/18/2012 3:45:30 PM
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So you have this amplifier for neurosignals...  With a band-limited front end.  How so?

The typical amplifier surely did have RF rectification capability if of bipolar design.  Then it is followed by filtering and the audio amplifier - which also are subject to the RF rectification effects.

Your 3 stories underground building consists of a series of steel columns that extend above ground by a height you didn't give.  There will be an energy transference to these columns which will be higher in amplitude the more distant you are from the ground point of the columns.  You didn't say if the building goes lower than 3 floors. 

I don't really see this as all that surprising.  Even though you were 3 floors "underground" you were not 3 floors really under GROUND. 

I've experienced this same emission here in OC in the past (>20 years) from either OC Airport or El Toro, I don't remember which.  Going to FET input op amps along with ferrite beads in a few areas eliminated the signals.

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Critic   12/19/2012 10:14:30 AM
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There's undoubtedly a good reason that few engineers know about "scalar energy."

I would like to propose another theory about the mysterious waveform:  aliens landed.  They visited Earth for one day and then left.  While they were here, they used their zug-zug guns to capture unknown energy sources.

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Space and energy
tedtw   12/19/2012 11:19:04 AM
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Scalar energy is not fiction. Many physicists which I am not allowed to name here are aware of scalar energy. Few engineers understand why constant values are used for AC equations, but not DC.

Many engineers do not understand (or question) why AC transmission lines have all their energy on the outside surface. Cross-country transmission lines have steel cores for strength, since no real power flows through the steel. But DC transmission lines use the entire conductor cross section and suffer ohmic losses over short distannces, as Edison found out. Why? It is the changing voltage of AC that creates a coupling into the surrounding space-time.

Constant values used for some AC equations actually remove the relationship between the circuit and surrounding space-time. Is this property demonstrable? When coax cables are mismatched with load impedances, gain occurs at certain frequencies. All one needs is a scope, coax cable, a load and a signal generator to prove it. All energy has an source. In this case is the surrounding space-time. Surrounding space-time couples into AC power transmission lines couple to. Space-time is the reason scalar energy exists.

Where does the inductive kick from an inductor or relay coil come from when the applied voltage is suddenly removed? How can a coil develop back EMF of about 10 times the applied voltage it was energized with? All energy must have a source and cannot come from nothing. The source of this energy IS the surrounding space-time, and is scalar in nature. Tesla was aware of this source and utilized it.

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Re: Space and energy
AlbertL   1/7/2013 7:21:02 PM
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"Where does the inductive kick from an inductor or relay coil come from when the applied voltage is suddenly removed?"

 

Where does the current come from when a charged capacitor is suddenly short circuited?  Collapsing electric field in this case, collapsing magnetic field in the inductor case.   You certainly don't need a nebulous scalar space-time explanation for that...

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Re: Space and energy
Phil Hobbs   1/7/2013 8:12:10 PM
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Hello, anybody here remember their undergraduate electromagnetics classes?  In a propagating EM wave in a lossless medium, E and B are in phase at all times.  If there's a phase shift between them, it comes from gain or loss in the medium.
 

But of course there are lots of scalar waves known.  The most common one is called "sound". 


Cheers

 

Phil Hobbs

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Critic   1/8/2013 5:02:19 PM
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No, the gain is from space-time :-)

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Re: Space and energy
rcutshaw   4/5/2013 2:52:51 PM
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The skin effect is caused by magnetic fields generated in the center of the conductor. The magnetic fields are generated by time varying electica fields (AC currents).

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So we do not know everything
Tool_maker   12/19/2012 1:08:26 PM
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e  It is articles like this and the following discusssions that make this site so facinating. All of the contributers are learned people, but cannot agree on whether or not the problem can even exist. Go back to early in the discussion and reread Ann R. Thryft's comment. How many things in history were impossible, before they were done?

  So there is something in your field in which you have limited or no knowledge. Does that mean it is impossible fiction? I think it is more likely that when the only tool you have is a hammer, there is a great tendency to treat all problems as nails. The original author had a problem, tracked it to the source and made it go away. I say, "Great job', and let it go. The fact that I do not understand what transpired does not make it a lie.

  When someone tells me to google something, I always wonder which of the 3 million hits I should read and believe. Google is only another tool in finding an answer, it is not THE answer.

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Re: So we do not know everything
RFI-EMI-GUY   1/2/2013 8:41:18 PM
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The problem with this article is that the author has not determined the method of detection of this bi-polar signal. It simply went away and the author has "assigned" scalar waves" as a cause.

It has been my experience that RF signals having very high rise times in amplitude can drive apparently well shielded circuits crazy. My first experience with susceptibility of this sort was a particular UHF Motorlola handheld radio (MX300 series). These crystal controlled radios had a very abrupt transmitter turn on. Using one near just about any type of audio gear would generate a very noticeble "click". Later with the iDen (NEXTEL) and other TDMA products, it was observed that periodic clicking was heard in any nearby audio device or landline speaker phone .

I have no doubt, the microwave emenations cited by the author were the cause, however the detection phenomenon was left unexplored.

Could it have been so simple as a set/reset occuring in the overloaded op amp circuit hitting the rails? Perhaps the author was fooled by the triggering mode of his scope to beleive that it was a bi-polar signal?

I beleive this was simple case of the equipment being susceptible to the external microwave signals, that perhaps due to some "luck" were entering ductwork or cabling into the lab at just the correct instant of antenna position and pulse timing to deliver the full brunt of the magnetron. Perhaps it will return when the antenna rotation changes phase.

I rest my case.

 

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Re: So we do not know everything
Tool_maker   1/3/2013 6:45:12 AM
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Luck is always a good thing to have when debugging any problem. It is not reliable and can rarely be dupicated, but I celebrate its existance.

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scalar joke
volta123   3/28/2013 8:56:38 PM
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this is likely a joke based on Tesla folklore. The only so called scalar aka longitudinal E or B waves are special case modes inside a conductive waveguide, and even in that case are mutually exclusive. Either an E or B field can be longitudinal at one time. Furthermore, they do not leave the waveguide to the far-field, open space environment. Logical error in the article: If they will not act upon a condutor such as a Faraday cage, then they will not cause a current in your recieving equipment and will not go to the amp. Period. The E and B field in an EM trasmission are in phase in time, and 90 deg. to one another in space only ie. Flemming's rule of orthagonal orientation of E,B and physical Force.

also, Bearden is mistaken or fradulent.

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Really!!! DesignNews Should Be Embarrassed!
DesignEngineer   4/4/2013 3:44:53 PM
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DesignNews should be embarrassed to print this pseudo-science. There is no such thing as scalar electromagnetic waves (except in very-specific situations which are not applicable here). If you follow the author's digital trail you'll find references to perpetual motion, space weapons, and fake medicine.

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DesignCon Blog re Scalar Energy
eager   4/7/2013 5:57:59 PM
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Hi -- I wrote a comment on my DesignCon Community Blog about this article.  http://www.designconcommunity.com/author.asp?section_id=2974&doc_id=261361&

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Re..Mystery Signals.
ellenlangsetmo@aol.com   1/3/2014 5:35:13 PM
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Mystery Signals    showes up in nurological amplifiers.thruogh a shielded underground lab.Well thruogh the effects of detecting phonon modulation energy of the microwave radar thruogh phonon modulation detection.The effect is created by the presents of certion minerals possibly peveskite and rutile and silica and mana amounge others wich acts as a crystal modulater or detecter or both to creat the depth scan effect or in this case the signal being modified to go thruogh rock or an effect of detecting the tensors created by energy matter thruogh the demodulation effects of the crysals in the bedrock or ground.Possibly a gold indium mineral is invoved in the effect.But peveskite being a commenm mineral might be part of it or possibly a mineral gravel mix of some sort and possibly some other sort of outside energy as a sort of kicker for the efect.It is just a theory thruogh.


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