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Shop Vac Flaws Grind Use to a Halt

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Rob Spiegel
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Re: Poor quality due to high turnover
Rob Spiegel   5/16/2012 1:05:26 PM
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When the author sent in this Made by Monkeys posting, he did not capitalize "shop vac," and that's how it ran. I assumed (maybe wrongly) that he was using a generic term and not singling out Shop Vac vacuums. 

gsmith120
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Re: Hobby shop equipment
gsmith120   5/16/2012 5:56:01 PM
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So true.  Like my Dad use to say "you get what you pay for".  Generally, if you pay little you get little. 

William K.
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Re: Shop Vac Doubles as Food Collector
William K.   5/16/2012 10:51:04 PM
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Regarding the assertion that I want the latest and greatest technology, the truth is NO WAY do I want any of the bug-filled, current fad  gimmicks that seem to abound. Almost universally the products di deliver superior performance for a few hours, at which time they wear enough that they only deliver marginaly acceptable performance. 

My choice is a product that has been on the market long enough so that I can see if they live well past the warranty period. Of course many of them are obsolete before the short warranty runs out, which is the stated goal of many manufacturers.

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Re: Hobby shop equipment
3drob   5/17/2012 8:00:21 AM
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The problem with rebranding chinese product under older, known brand names is that you don't know what you are getting.  You may get what you pay for, or you may get a piece of garbage for full price.  The effect is to dilute the power of brand names as a badge of quality.  The end result for the consumer is that the smart bet to make (when they gamble buying a new product) is to put less money up front (i.e. buy cheap and pray).

Looking for the "Made in USA" branding along with the brand name is the only method left (even that is iffy, since there has certainly been some garbage made here in the USA as well, but at least the money I pay for that garbage stays here).

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Hobby shop equipment
Rob Spiegel   5/17/2012 3:51:29 PM
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You're right about brand names not being what they used to be, 3drob. A quick perusal through the Made by Monkeys blog finds stories of disaster problems with many of the major brands of the past, from Maytag to Sears Craftsman. 

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I Can't Believe You Threw It Away
stewarth   5/24/2012 1:53:40 AM
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You what? Threw it away?  I retrieved a 1.5 hp Shop Vac from a dumpster out of curiousity and checked it out - they poorly designed the motor assembly with 1 steel thrust bearing and 1 bronze bushing. The bushing is guaranteed to wear out prematurely - the motor chatters and eventually goes south. Some dimensional analysis shows the bushing housing is the same size as the bearing housing - bought a sealed steel bearing for $1.50 and now the things hums nicely - ShoVac wanted $40 for a new motor assembly compared to $60 for a new vacuum. What a waste. No excuse for this kind of shoddy design.

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Re: Poor quality due to high turnover
Tool_maker   5/31/2012 1:04:05 PM
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Where is it written that a company can only make one product line? Obviously Genie felt they could make different parts on the same equipment and then probably had separate divisions for assembly. One of our biggest customers make rocket launchers for today's Army helecopters,even though they started in business making office furniture. The two product lines existed in the same facility for several decades until the furniture line became unprofitable because of third world imports and the company reorganized as a defense contractor only.

When you are punching, bending and forming metal, it really does not care where it is going to be utilized. Whether it be an office chair or hardware to mount a 24 pod rocket launcher onto an instrument of destruction. We are a job shop and produce components for a multitude of product lines in very diverse industries. It is that capability that has kept me continuously employed through the whole recession. At least to this point. Praise the lord and pass the broad base of customers.

bob from maine
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Re: Hobby shop equipment
bob from maine   6/8/2012 9:55:42 AM
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Every time I purchase a cheap (hobby grade) tool, I regret the purchase every time I use the tool. When it finally breaks (it always does), I research the tool more thoroughly and frequently decide it just isn't worth paying 4 or 5x the cost for a professional grade tool which I will only use 10 or 20 times a year. A basic shop-vac is NOT designed for continuous use, it has a commutated AC motor with brushes, busings instead of bearings, no oil retention or felts and will work fine for the 2 year design lifetime and you can't use it in an industrial environment without hearing protection because it exceeds OSSHAs acceptable sound levels, plus it costs less than $100. A high quality, quiet, continuous duty rated shop-vac costs over $350, weights about 50% more, will last 5 years of heavy duty and because it is usually metal, will dent when dropped and become useless because the lid will no longer seal. A hobbyist will likely need to replace a basic shop-vac once or twice per lifetime, which makes it a pretty good bargain compared to the continuous duty version which will last a hobbyist forever. 

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Hobby shop equipment
Rob Spiegel   6/8/2012 10:34:10 AM
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That's a very good point, Bob from Maine. I have a weed eater. I bought the cheapest one. With my current yard, I only use it two or three times during the spring and summer. The cheap one will last forever.

When I had a larger yard, I used the weed eater three or four times a week. I went through a couple cheap ones with that usage.

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Re: Hobby shop equipment
Dozer789   6/26/2012 4:04:32 PM
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I have very nice shop-vac ($120) and i have used it a lot and i have had no problems with it, the only thing that i dont like about it is that the wheel assembly busted within a few months but other than that it is very great.

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