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Mydesign
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Re: Root Cause
Mydesign   10/14/2013 9:18:00 AM
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"Well, even though the shop charged you $600, at least they found the actual cause. "

Tekochip, I feel that for this AT problem, $600 is in high range.

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Problems with AT
Mydesign   10/14/2013 9:14:54 AM
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"The main issue is that the car was not selecting the proper gear when stopping and restarting. This happened repeatedly for a few weeks. Then it failed to start when the transmission was hot."

Jan, is it with an automatic transmission gear. I think in AT it's a common problem, especially with city ride.

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Root Cause
tekochip   10/14/2013 8:54:46 AM
Well, even though the shop charged you $600, at least they found the actual cause.  I had a very similar situation with a new car.  The shop replaced everything on the car that had an electrical connector.  Since the car was new, I wasn't going to get involved, but in frustration I opened the hood after a "repair" and found that a wiring harness in the engine had been burned, melting insulation and vacuum hoses.  I repaired the harness and hoses myself.  Warrantee or not, I never sent the vehicle to the shop again.


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Re: Automotive design a mystery
GTOlover   10/14/2013 8:53:59 AM
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I would add, naperlou, that the guys designed for ease of assembly. Given the need to drive down labor costs (for political reasons I will not state the obvious), the wire bundle fit nicely in this location. Then some new guy had to find (or design) a clip to retain the bundle. They gave no thought to the consumer owning the vehicle over time.

What I found interesting in this, the owner of the Expedition was very meticulous in his maintenance. I can imagine a more carefree driver (think offroading) would have this same issue sooner!

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Automotive design a mystery
naperlou   10/14/2013 8:33:52 AM
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Jan, this has always been a mystery to me.  I have had many cars over the years and worked on many of them myself in the early days.  My earliest cars were 1960s British sports cars.  Lot's of fun to drive but not very relaible.  I found many situations like the one you describe.  We always used to joke that ancillary systems and parts were designed by the new engineers who had no experience.  It doesn't seem like things have changed much.

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