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nyeng
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Re: tangent; IQ testing bias
nyeng   10/16/2013 7:05:49 PM
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I dealt with some GM people first hand while working for a large, evil, tier 1 supplier. GM has some very intelligent people, however there seems to be a vein of arrogance. It's like "We are the almighty GM and we are the experts in everything we do." Now I'd like to expand this to my broader experience in auto manufacturing. It's all about moving product. Plant managers want to make their numbers at all cost. They will knowingly ship questionable product to make theire numbers. They make their number for their bonus and if there's a warranty problem you blame it on the design engineers. That said, the engineer at the plant doesn't want you to resolve the issue. He wants you to fix it and get it running asap. Doing something to reduce the cycle time is sacriledge. If he lets you do that his ass is on the line for letting you do something that may reduce throughput. He wants you to fix it as it is. That would mean either fixing it regularly (for free) or else upgrading to bigger servos or a cooling system or whatever (for free, of course). You are supposed to quickly bow to their demands for no charge because "We are the almighty GM and you take care of this or we never buy from you again." That's my take on the situation based on my own auto industry experience and opinions.

nyeng
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Re: Management by monkeys
nyeng   10/16/2013 7:01:06 PM
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I dealt with some GM people first hand while working for a large, evil, tier 1 supplier.  GM has some very intelligent people, however there seems to be a vein of arrogance.  It's like "We are the almighty GM and we are the experts in everything we do."


Now I'd like to expand this to my broader experience in auto manufacturing.  It's all about moving product.  Plant managers want to make their numbers at all cost.  They will knowingly ship questionable product to make theire numbers.  They make their number for their bonus and if there's a warranty problem you blame it on the design engineers.



That said, the engineer at the plant doesn't want you to resolve the issue.  He wants you to fix it and get it running asap.  Doing something to reduce the cycle time is sacriledge.  If he lets you do that his ass is on the line for letting you do something that may reduce throughput.  He wants you to fix it as it is.  That would mean either fixing it regularly (for free) or else upgrading to bigger servos or a cooling system or whatever (for free, of course).   You are supposed to quickly bow to their demands for no charge because "We are the almighty GM and you take care of this or we never buy from you again."



That's my take on the situation based on my own auto industry experience and opinions.


nyeng
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Re: Management by monkeys
nyeng   10/16/2013 7:00:41 PM
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I dealt with some GM people first hand while working for a large, evil, tier 1 supplier.  GM has some very intelligent people, however there seems to be a vein of arrogance.  It's like "We are the almighty GM and we are the experts in everything we do."


Now I'd like to expand this to my broader experience in auto manufacturing.  It's all about moving product.  Plant managers want to make their numbers at all cost.  They will knowingly ship questionable product to make theire numbers.  They make their number for their bonus and if there's a warranty problem you blame it on the design engineers.


That said, the engineer at the plant doesn't want you to resolve the issue.  He wants you to fix it and get it running asap.  Doing something to reduce the cycle time is sacriledge.  If he lets you do that his ass is on the line for letting you do something that may reduce throughput.  He wants you to fix it as it is.  That would mean either fixing it regularly (for free) or else upgrading to bigger servos or a cooling system or whatever (for free, of course).   You are supposed to quickly bow to their demands for no charge because "We are the almighty GM and you take care of this or we never buy from you again."


That's my take on the situation based on my own auto industry experience and opinions.

nyeng
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Re: Management by monkeys
nyeng   10/16/2013 6:59:45 PM
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I dealt with some GM people first hand while working for a large, evil, tier 1 supplier.  GM has some very intelligent people, however there seems to be a vein of arrogance.  It's like "We are the almighty GM and we are the experts in everything we do."


Now I'd like to expand this to my broader experience in auto manufacturing.  It's all about moving product.  Plant managers want to make their numbers at all cost.  They will knowingly ship questionable product to make theire numbers.  They make their number for their bonus and if there's a warranty problem you blame it on the design engineers.


That said, the engineer at the plant doesn't want you to resolve the issue.  He wants you to fix it and get it running asap.  Doing something to reduce the cycle time is sacriledge.  If he lets you do that his ass is on the line for letting you do something that may reduce throughput.  He wants you to fix it as it is.  That would mean either fixing it regularly (for free) or else upgrading to bigger servos or a cooling system or whatever (for free, of course).   You are supposed to quickly bow to their demands for no charge because "We are the almighty GM and you take care of this or we never buy from you again."


That's my take on the situation based on my own auto industry experience and opinions.

nyeng
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Re: Management by monkeys
nyeng   10/16/2013 6:58:43 PM
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I dealt with some GM people first hand while working for a large, evil, tier 1 supplier.  GM has some very intelligent people, however there seems to be a vein of arrogance.  It's like "We are the almighty GM and we are the experts in everything we do."


Now I'd like to expand this to my broader experience in auto manufacturing.  It's all about moving product.  Plant managers want to make their numbers at all cost.  They will knowingly ship questionable product to make theire numbers.  They make their number for their bonus and if there's a warranty problem you blame it on the design engineers.


That said, the engineer at the plant doesn't want you to resolve the issue.  He wants you to fix it and get it running asap.  Doing something to reduce the cycle time is sacriledge.  If he lets you do that his ass is on the line for letting you do something that may reduce throughput.  He wants you to fix it as it is.  That would mean either fixing it regularly (for free) or else upgrading to bigger servos or a cooling system or whatever (for free, of course).   You are supposed to quickly bow to their demands for no charge because "We are the almighty GM and you take care of this or we never buy from you again."


That's my take on the situation based on my own auto industry experience and opinions.

TJ McDermott
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Re: Management by monkeys
TJ McDermott   10/15/2013 6:55:21 PM
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There is at least one more solution to this problem:

Add an expensive and maintenance-intensive liquid-cooling jacket to each motor.

Add an expensive but lighter compressed air cooling system to each motor.

No, I'm not serious, but I'd have liked to see the response from the monkey-managers.

 

One could also ask the M.M. which solution they came up with that is better than the engineer's.

William K.
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Re: You can't fix stupid
William K.   10/14/2013 9:34:29 PM
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The problem that I run into is that it can't wait to be fixed because I am getting blamed for problems brought on by others. So sometimes I just must solve problems that are not created by me, not my responsibility, and not really my problem, just because I need to keep the problem from becoming my problem, or my burden.

So if the job needs to be done sometimes I do it, despite cries that it is not my job to do it. Because sometimes that doesn't matter very much. And yes, it does sometimes cause repercussions. Oh Well.

GlennA
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Re: You can't fix stupid
GlennA   10/14/2013 11:13:44 AM
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William K;  And also "Even a blind man could see it is wrong".  There are times when you look at something that is so obviously wrong that it shouldn't have to be explained, but even after explaining it, it still doesn't sink in.  So all that is left to do is wait for the failure and say "Who would have thunk it ?"

William K.
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Re: Really hot servo motors.
William K.   10/13/2013 10:35:49 PM
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There exists a problem in that a lot of unknowing people are terribly afraid to do anything that is not the way that it has always been done, so when I suggest a means of solving a problem that is different from the method that did not solve the problem they are afraid, and often it is not possible to explain to them how the alternate method would work, because they are unable to think, their minds being clouded with fear. So sometimes I leave them to suffer their disaster. This happens because "you can't fix stupid". Note that I did not originate that phrase, but it certainly fits sometimes.

taimoortariq
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Re: Really hot servo motors.
taimoortariq   10/13/2013 8:46:24 PM
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Those were some really good options but poor managment at the side of the engineer incharge of the plant. Risking the working of servo motor is pretty reckless, because it might lead to huge repairing costs.

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