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New Dishwasher Canít Beat the Old One

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RandellGreer
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Re: Not the machine - the SOAP!
RandellGreer   10/11/2013 7:46:35 AM
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I have a 1967 Kitchen Aid that still does 2 loads a week, the only required repair was the electro-mechanical timer about 15 years ago.

ab3a
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Re: Why Such Surprise?
ab3a   10/11/2013 7:36:14 AM
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No, the problem is that these products are not being built with the sort of components that last. Period. It doesn't matter who you choose. 

I have been through appliance hell and it isn't any one manufacturer. It's the crappy electronics and that damned Energy Star rating.

For example, refrigerators are being designed for heat loads that only happen in air conditioned homes. However, if you're like me and you happen to live in an old farm house without central air, the refrigerator compresser will fail in just a couple years. And don't get me started about having a refrigerator for drinks or longer term storage in the garage.

What do they get for working with such precision? They get efficiency. They get to claim lots of energy savings.

Someone needs to beat the Energy Star people over the head and ask how much energy it takes to manufacture and deliver one of these products to a customer's door and to remove the old product. There is a lot of false economy taking place here. We're saving customer energy bills, but we're actually expending more energy building and delivering these products than we will ever save with reduced energy bills.

Environmentalists need to be very careful what they ask for because Engineers will give it to them exactly as requested.

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Late-Model Appliance Problems
Rob Spiegel   9/20/2013 1:01:33 PM
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Hey RickZ28, your posting would make a great Made by Monkeys -- kind of a cure of the monkeys.

If that's OK with you, please send along your permission to: rob.spiegel@ubm.com

Rob Spiegel
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Re: Why Such Surprise?
Rob Spiegel   9/20/2013 10:56:29 AM
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Hey bobl, were there accompanying latches that needed to be mounted in the compartment the dishwasher slides into? Seems that would be part of the securing system. I have a dishwasher that does the same thing when both trays are extended. It's quite anoying.

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Re: Why Such Surprise?
OLD_CURMUDGEON   9/20/2013 8:17:56 AM
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Quacker:  NOT so sure about BOSCH either...  seems to me that there was a very recent MADE by MONKEES blog about a BOSCH product also.....

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Re: Why Such Surprise?
OLD_CURMUDGEON   9/20/2013 8:17:42 AM
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Quacker:  NOT so sure about BOSCH either...  seems to me that there was a very recent MADE by MONKEES blog about a BOSCH product also.....

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Re: Appliance Manufacturers Listening
OLD_CURMUDGEON   9/20/2013 8:15:55 AM
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Analog Bill:  I have the PERFECT solution for the heat prostration problem of the display.  IF there's room beneath it, why don't you cut an appropriate sized piece of asbestos cloth, and lay it under to act as an insulator for the clock/control panel.

OH, WAIT!!!!  I just remembered, asbestos is a no-no.  I'm sorry, MY BAD!!!! 

Maybe a sheet of NOMEX would suffice instead .......

 

bobl
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Re: Why Such Surprise?
bobl   9/19/2013 1:52:03 PM
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I rent a house that has a Bosch dishwasher.  It seems to work fine except for the clips that are supposed to hold the unit in place under the cabinet.  I cannot figure out how they are supposed to work.  They get loose and get in the way of the door closing fully, thereby keeping the cycle from starting.  They don't seem to actually latch onto anything on the unit.  The dishwasher will seem like it wants to tip over if both baskets are extended at the same time becuase it is not being held securely.

 

Not quite sure what to do...

RICKZ28
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Late-Model Appliance Problems
RICKZ28   9/19/2013 12:09:01 PM
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I have to agree that new home appliance don't last as long as the old ones, and break down much more often.  I've been through several clothes washers and dryers, and a couple of dishwashers, after having old ones that lasted many years.

When my several year old dryer recently stop providing heat, I found a website that has specific diagnosis steps for specific problems, along with videos showing how to test components.  After a couple hours of research finding the website, reading the diagnosis steps and watching videos, I was able to figure-out what was wrong with my dryer in a couple of hours.  I purchased the repair parts for $27 at a local appliance parts shop, and repaired the dryer in about one hour (it was the electrical solenoids that operate the gas valves that were faulty).  

Try this website if for appliance problems:  www.repairclinic.com

For dishwashers, our new dishwasher didn't clean so well, but my wife researched (Internet) and found that recent changes in the water was responsible for the film on everything washed in the dishwasher (something recently banned by the EPA I believe).  She found-out that expensive dishwashing "pellets" could solve the problem over time (I've noticed advertisement wars on TV between Cascade and Finish for their new dishwasher pellets).  We also found-out that washing using regular inexpensive white vinegar (no detergent) will clear the film and also clean the dishwasher.  We now do one load per week using vinegar instead of the expensive pellets.  For folks wishing to save money, just use vinegar for every wash, simply add one or two cups of white vinegar after the rinse cycle is done.

Fortunately, we've had good luck with our late-model stovetop, wall over, microwave and refrigerators.

Turbineman
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Re: Not the machine - the SOAP!
Turbineman   9/19/2013 11:08:47 AM
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We purchased a Maytage dishwasher about 2 years ago to replace a 10 year old Kitchenaid for a dumb reason: The lower rack was losing its plastic coating.  Immediately the dishes were coming out with a white film.  You resolved that with TSP.  Never thought of that.  We dump about 1/2 cup of white vinagar in when we load the dishes.  They come out spotless now.

Yes, we just had the touch pad board replaced on it.

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