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Can’t Get a Good Fix on the Dryer

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loadster
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picture would help
loadster   6/20/2013 4:39:09 PM
I went to repair clinic and selected dryer, whirlpool, blower wheel and fan blade,

I couldn't get a handle on the problem from their stocked parts. I'm guessing if your dryer is older, they want the squirrel cage not to seize and burn up the motor.  So they made a weak "break-away" shaft coupling. Or they really did built-in obsolesence to you. Dual shaft driving the belt turning the drum as well? Probably Whirlpool has long changed their designs and what you have you should keep smartly overhauled until there's little left but smoldering elements and a rusty hulk of housing. The monkeys are on a beach somewhere staring into space thru cataracts and no longer playing in the barrel.

William K.
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Re: picture would help
William K.   6/24/2013 8:03:46 PM
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The one-piece squirrle cage blower slides onto the end of the motor shaft twards the front of the dryer. The pulley engaging the drum drive belt is on the shaft exteding from the rear of the motor. That part of the design is pretty good. The flaw is in the way that the blower wheelm is connected to the motor shaft. The non-rigid spring allows motion. A solid compression ring clamp would not allow any motion, and so there would be no wear, at least I don't think that there would be any wear. But making it any different would indeed cost a bit more, I suppose. And so the very cheapest means that will outlast the warranty is the one that gets used.

loadster
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Re: picture would help
loadster   6/25/2013 10:40:31 AM
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willy k., as I stated if you already invested time and energy it making it work, then I hope it serves you well with minimal continued preventive maintenance. I think the takeaway from this discussion is the older is better. No surprise. Our economy is based on excess consumption and waste. Personally, a warranty and extended servce contracts are vacuous promises. I don't buy  durable appliances based on future work. Reputation and track record are tenible.  

Charles Murray
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Better quality does cost more
Charles Murray   6/20/2013 8:49:57 PM
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Yes, better quality does cost more. In this case, though, the higher quality appears to be a necessity, unless the users are not planning on having lint. This is a great example of the importance of an institutional approach to quality.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   6/21/2013 1:34:19 PM
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I'd say "higher quality" is a necessity for several types of consumer products, in fact any of them that use electricity. What we're now calling "higher quality" used to be the standard, and the standard is now sub-par.

William K.
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William K.   6/24/2013 7:55:12 PM
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Ann, on quite a few occasions I have had a sales person tell me that "features ARE quality." When I explain that I see quality as lasting a long time they instantly start talking about the service contracts. So someplace somebody has worked to corrupt the standard meaning of words. 

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   6/25/2013 12:12:44 PM
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William, I've heard the same basic sales pitch and it's obviously not true--for me or for you. As a consumer, I get tired of having a company's advertising slogans aimed at me, instead of a sales pitch tailored to my needs and interests. I don't think it's the standard meaning of words that's been corrupted so much as how words are used in the consumer advertising and selling environment and the whole concept of what's being sold and how. Once upon a time, consumer goods were supposed to last longer and consumers were supposed to want that. Some of us still do, as evidenced by the comments on our Made by Monkeys blogs.

William K.
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William K.   6/25/2013 4:32:49 PM
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Ann, when my customers in the automotive industry talk about quality it means meeting their specifications initially and continuing to meet those specifications for some particular length of time. At one plant the demand was for some very limited number of hours of scheduled mantenance per year. What that amount of time wwould allow was a quick check of calibration for two pressure transducers. Afrter a few checks the comment I got was:"now I see why you selected that (expensive) brand of transducers." 

I would buy appliances the same way, if real information was available. But to find out anything worth knowing, a lot of effort is required. Made by Monkeys is useful, but it requires a god memory and reading each one carefully.

Ann R. Thryft
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Ann R. Thryft   6/26/2013 12:28:20 PM
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William, the situation you describe is much more common when your customer is a manufacturer, instead of a consumer. I'd buy appliances--or any other consumer goods--the same way, too, if I could--and I try to. I've saved several of these MbM columns when they discuss an item I'm likely to have to buy.

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3drob   6/24/2013 7:26:21 AM
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Charles, you are correct that "this is a great example of the importance of an institutional approach to quality".  I suspect that a company that big, that's been around that long, that's done better in the past, probably knows what they are doing.  Of course, that doesn't mean that they are doing what's best for the consumer:  since the dryer was fixed by the consumer, it probably had outlived its warrantee, which probably meets the companies quality policy.  Large corporations metric only what higher management wants them to, and customer satisfaction is harder to metric than per-unit profit (both based on manufacturing cost + warrantee-repair cost).

When it was time to replace our washer, my wife and I declined to replace our gas dryer (still new-ish at 25-30 years old) because of the recent decline in quality.  Not long after, I had to replace a few parts in the dryer (much less than the cost of a new unit) but luckily I can.

Droid
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Poor dryer design - Burn down the house..
Droid   6/21/2013 9:17:07 AM
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If there's one appliance in the house that shouldn't be design carelessly, it is the dryer.  We have aquaintances whose house burned down about 2 years ago due because the dryer failed and overheated. They were lucky to escape..

szyhxc
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Are things falling apart at W-pool.
szyhxc   6/24/2013 6:19:04 PM
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William,

How old in this dryer?  I bought an M-tag (by W-pool) new in Novenber and it caught fire in March.  I am trying to come up with additional details to get an MbM article and this has helped.

 

William K.
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Re: Are things falling apart at W-pool.
William K.   6/24/2013 7:49:58 PM
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Our dryer was about 5 years old the first time this happened, the other dryer was a few years older, I think.  They worked fine for over a year, and when the airflow stopped the thermal fuse prevented any fire. But we, and out friend, empty the lint collector completely after every load.That does make a big difference.

These are both gas dryers, which are quite different from the electrical ones. Which was yours, and what area caught fire?

szyhxc
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Re: Are things falling apart at W-pool.
szyhxc   6/24/2013 8:09:26 PM
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Mine too was a Gas (natural).  It was fixed under warranty and the technician did not share much with me.  I saw it all opened up and other than the damaged load of cloths, saw no real internal damage.  Some plastice parts of the drum are slightly warped  but these were not replaced.  I too needed a thermal switch replaced and they also replaced the entire burner unit and the main timer??  I have no idea what in the burner may have been bad. It was a major component.  I had to wait a week for ne to be delivered.

William K.
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Re: Are things falling apart at W-pool.
William K.   6/25/2013 6:25:23 PM
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I would guess that somehow the portion of the burner control that limits the flame had failed and the flame got a lot bigger and hotter. That could happen if the gas jet orfice was not installed correctly, and fell out, which would allow a much larger flame. It could have been much more exciting. That would be a rare happening.

szyhxc
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Re: Are things falling apart at W-pool.
szyhxc   6/24/2013 8:09:27 PM
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Mine too was a Gas (natural).  It was fixed under warranty and the technician did not share much with me.  I saw it all opened up and other than the damaged load of cloths, saw no real internal damage.  Some plastice parts of the drum are slightly warped  but these were not replaced.  I too needed a thermal switch replaced and they also replaced the entire burner unit and the main timer??  I have no idea what in the burner may have been bad. It was a major component.  I had to wait a week for ne to be delivered.

John E
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Deteriorating quality
John E   7/3/2013 10:54:51 AM
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I'm sad to hear that the qualtiy of whirlpool dryers has deteriorated that much.  My current 28 year old whirlpool is still running strong.  It is almost identical to the one I grew up with that lasted more than 30 years as well.  The only maintenance I did on either of them was occasionaly vacuuming off the lint, and replacing the bearings that support the drum every 10 -15 years (they get very noisy but work just fine).  The blower cage in both of these gas dryers is metal, not plastic.

William K.
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Re: Deteriorating quality
William K.   7/10/2013 10:10:00 PM
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John, I am sure that the replacement of the metal blower with a plastic one was one of those "DFM " project decisions, and it probably did reduce the cost a few cents. But I never said it was an improvement.

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SharonWorkman   11/27/2013 5:52:20 AM
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I have bought a whilpool washing machine 6 monthes back and the dryer starts giving problem. I have heard almost all machine gives the dryer problem most often.

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Re: Deteriorating quality
tekochip   11/27/2013 9:10:13 AM
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My dryer is built shoddily with an eye towards profit as well.  The machine has been running for 16 years now, but about every two years I have to tear the machine down and replace the felt seals and nylon "bearings", which are nothing more than rubbing blocks that the front of the drum rests on.  I miss my 1967 Maytag that only needed a dab of grease every now and then.


William K.
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Re: Deteriorating quality
William K.   11/29/2013 8:18:19 PM
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@tekochip, you can put a bit of silicone grease, or some similar high temperature lubricant on the felt and it does reduce the wera rate. And be certain to clean up the rubbing area on the drum, since it can develop some roughness that is quite abrasive.

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