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Robotic Misfire on K Car Weld

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Rob Spiegel
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Rob Spiegel   12/27/2011 8:19:55 AM
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That was 30 years ago, which was around the beginning of the age of robot welding. Since this type of story didn't become widespread -- this is the first I've heard of an incident like this -- I would imagine the robots generally did a better job of getting the weld on the right spot.

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Beth Stackpole   12/27/2011 8:36:40 AM
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Didn't K Cars have a reputation for fairly, how shall I put this, low-end craftsmanship? Even so, very good illustration of the super simple miscues that plague even the best and brightest technologies. Also shows how far robot technology has come over the last few decades. An entertaining tale!

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Jennifer Campbell   12/27/2011 10:18:42 AM
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I think you might be correct, Beth. Growing up, my family had a K car wagon and I seem to remember being broken down on the side of the road a lot. That said, it's not too hard to imagine that a robot could, even today, miss a step no matter what assembly line it's working on. After all, nobody/nothing is perfect.

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Robo_Weld_Programmer_1985   12/27/2011 7:52:45 PM
I am a Robotic Welding programmer and to give a little bit of insight... The robot never "forgets", but what usually causes this type of thing to happen is that when the muffler came doun the assembly line it was probably not in its correct location, meaning not in the fixture correctly in the first place. That would cause this too happen.

 

All parts are not the same, as my company also stamps parts, an employee might not have seen a defective part which was longer and passed it through. Every day I find my self "editing" programs because the parts are just not the same.

 

And finally a cause for this are possibly 2 of many other things such as.. The robot crashed on a previous part and it through the "TCP" off (tool center point). this would throw the welding "goose neck" off by a few cm or an inch. This problem would have to corrected by me and would take some time adjusting back. Another problem is the Welding "whip" which is where the wire is fed to the contact tip  could have caught on an object from whipping around and snagging. That would cause a "close linned" effect and prevent the robot hitting it's weld point.

 

Hope I helped

 

Andrew

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gafisher   12/27/2011 8:31:04 PM
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All true, Andrew, but all things a competent human welder wouldn't miss.




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gafisher   12/27/2011 8:34:41 PM
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The story sounds like an illustration of an old saying:

 
"To err is human, but to really screw up you need a computer."

 

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TJ McDermott   12/27/2011 10:23:50 PM
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gafisher, the operative word in your post is "Competent".

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Tim   12/28/2011 9:24:02 AM
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Robots are only as good as their fixturing. A great robot that has poorly designed or weak end of arm tooling will be non-repeatable and can miss welds or part placement. Part nesting is also a key component to a quality robot cell.

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jmiller   12/28/2011 10:32:49 AM
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I think the type of mistakes is what differentiates robots from humans.  A robot is going be more consistent.  Therefore, if it is programmed correctly and the task is a repeatable task with little variability the robot will consistently perform the task.  However if you program the robot to do the task 1" off. Iit will do it again and again.

Humans on the other hand have the ability to adjust from situation to situation but the variability in human performance can make it not perfect.

These two simple principles are just a few of the things a good design engineer will realize when they are putting together the design of the part.  How is the part going to be assembled?  Will it be with human labor or automated?  What are the strengths and weaknesses of those assembly techniques and how does your design integrate with them?

 

 

 

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Rob Spiegel   12/28/2011 11:00:30 AM
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Good points Robo Weld. Sounds like a number of things could have caused the weld to hit the wrong spot. The computer running the robot is literal. It will do what it's told, whether the parts are in the right place or not.

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