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Could Pure Electrics Emit More Than Hybrids?
11/15/2012

A battery electric vehicle (shown as 'BEV240') could be responsible for more social damage in the form of emissions than a plug-in hybrid, largely as a result of battery size.   (Source: Carnegie Mellon University)
A battery electric vehicle (shown as "BEV240") could be responsible for more social damage in the form of emissions than a plug-in hybrid, largely as a result of battery size.
(Source: Carnegie Mellon University)

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robatnorcross
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Re: Hybrids beating EVs
robatnorcross   11/16/2012 7:42:32 PM
Why not just live in tents in the woods and cook with "solar cookers".  If you live in the "woods" you don't have grass to cut (lawn mower polution) and wouldn't have to polute the air by driving at all because there won't be any jobs to go to from the auto makers, home builders, lawn mower manufacturers or oil companies. The only expense you'll have is the daily trip to Starbucks (where I'm currently residing) Not to mention all the money we spend protecting the shipping lanes around the middle east to get the oil over here. Coal won't be poluting because you can't heat your tent with coal (as far as I know). The tent can be lit with a single 13 Watt CFL or LED lamp from China so the polution from the manufacturing of those will be 12,000 miles from here. Summers in certain areas (and Winters in others) will be miserable due to the lack of heating and air.

While you're at it each family tent will have it's own garden (organic of course). If you become a vegitarian you won't even have to kill/murder chickens, cows, goats, etc. unless you consider the killing of a tomato to be in-humane cruel and unusual punishment for the tomato plant.

I think on Arbor day, I'll go out and cut down a damned pine tree.

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Rob Spiegel   11/17/2012 1:31:39 PM
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I agree William K. It looks like natural gas costs will remain low for many years to come as the U.S. becomes the world's largest producer.

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William K.   11/17/2012 5:11:23 PM
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Yes, and besides having a whole lot of natural gas underground, there are some lower cost ways to generate natural gas from municiple garbage. So we may be able to solve multiple problems at the same times. That would be quite handy.

And consider a car with the stop-start system and also fueled by natural gas. Low emissions plus great mileage.

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Rob Spiegel   11/19/2012 2:48:27 PM
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That's funny, Robatnorcross. Maybe we should do it -- except for killing tomatoes, of course. One thing you mention, though, about the shipping lanes. As we move toward energy independence -- it looks inevitable now -- will we still patrol those lanes?

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robatnorcross   11/19/2012 5:08:34 PM
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Hi Rob, why would you need to protect the shipping lanes if not for oil. On the other hand may be all those TV's, cell phones and micro chips they make over there need to be protected. Oh wait, they don't make ANYTHING there other than sand and rocks and illegal narcotics.

When was the last time you saw "MADE IN AFGANISTAN" on anything other than heroin containers.

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Rob Spiegel   11/19/2012 5:51:54 PM
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Good point, William K. Methane is already getting harverted from municiple garbage. I don't know if it's very common, but I know it's being done. 

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Rob Spiegel   11/19/2012 7:26:47 PM
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Guarding shipping lanes is an interesting geo-political issue, Robatnorcross. Say we become energy independent -- which looks possible now. Would we simply come home? Or would we need to continue that activity on behalf of our European allies?

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Scott Orlosky   11/19/2012 11:21:18 PM
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It would be interesting to look at overall lifecycle costs for other energy sources: photovoltaic, wind, biodiesel.  Better yet, maybe we could develop a standard carbon output per power output ratio to be able to compare different energy generating methods over their lifetime.

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robatnorcross   11/20/2012 5:00:38 PM
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Hi rob, If we are only there to protect the Europeans we should send them the bill for the protection service. May be we could recoup some of the stupid costs that come out of Brussells in the form of regulations they seem to be able to impose on the rest of the planet. Apparently they can't run themselves (Brussells) so they try to tell everyone else what to do. "Do as I say, not as I do".

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Rob Spiegel   11/21/2012 2:52:37 PM
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Robatnorcross, you are centainly right about European regulations reaching across the whole world. I was a bit surprised that the RoHS and REACH regulations became effectively worldwide law. Companies decided not to make products for Europe only, so they went with the regulations for products sold everywhere. 

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