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Slideshow: GM, Honda Team Up on Fuel Cell Challenges
7/10/2013

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GM's Hy-Wire concept car combined hydrogen fuel cells with drive-by-wire technology.(Source: Wikipedia)
GM's Hy-Wire concept car combined hydrogen fuel cells with drive-by-wire technology.
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Rob Spiegel
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Will this fuel the market?
Rob Spiegel   7/10/2013 12:12:29 PM
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Hey Chuck, is this partnership likely to push fuel cell vehicles closer to high-volume production of consumer acceptance? 

apresher
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Teaming Up
apresher   7/10/2013 5:39:46 PM
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Interesting development, Chuck.  Any insights on whether this is unusual or if there are synergies here that make sense? I would think there would be a fundamental conflict in working together or at least a worry that you might be helping a main competitor.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   7/10/2013 6:50:31 PM
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Although we're going to see a few a few production vehicles by 2015, we're a long way from big volumes, Rob. By 2020, we're expecteing 3,700 fuel cell vehicles in the U.S., which is about two-hundredths of one percent.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   7/10/2013 6:53:31 PM
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I don't think we need to worry about anti-trust violations, Al. At least not yet. This reminds me of the U.S. Advanced Battery Consortium, which was formed by GM, Ford and Chrysler in about 1990. It was never a problem, as far as I know.

shehan
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shehan   7/10/2013 7:55:02 PM
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@Charles – That's a huge number of fuel cell vehicles. I am sure there is much demand for this in the market out there.

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Re: Will this fuel the market?
a.saji   7/11/2013 3:41:10 AM
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@Shehan: Good point but I feel the movement and the trend should be monitored closely before going with big numbers. If not its will be a failure.   

Tool_maker
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Cart before horse
Tool_maker   7/11/2013 1:01:28 PM
  I love the idea of the fuel cell concept as far superior to the battery swap discussed in this forum a couple weeks ago. However, is this not again a situation where millions of dollars will be thrown at a problem with a inheriant confound at the git-go. Why proceed with developement without solving the issue about platnum requirements?

  I expect the majority of posters know more about the concepts involved than I do, but this reminds me of changing the tires and refueling a vehicle that has just pulled into the pit with a blown transmission. Solve the major road block first and then go into further developement.

  Again I am reminded of the turbine car that won the Indy 500, yet since engineers could never solve the issue of exhaust heats so great they destroyed roadways, the concept was abandoned. Solve the big problems first, then start tackling the little ones.

EBarnacle
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Ultra pure water for fuel cells
EBarnacle   7/11/2013 2:02:08 PM
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This the second similar artile I have seen this week.  I have been a fuel cell believer since the '60's, when I saw a demo of  one at the New York World's Fair.  My company makes machines which produce ultra pure water.  When I see an article like this, I want to be able to contact the people who made the announcement so we can do business together.  HELP!!!  Articles without names or links are not useful.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   7/11/2013 5:47:31 PM
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EBarnacle -- if you want to talk to someone from GM or Honda about fuel cells, that's going to be a challenge. We normally work through their PR department, which hooks us up with the engineers. They don't ever give the engineers' contact info directly to us. Nor do they ever allow us to give out contact information for the PR department. Smaller companies work differently than automakers. Lastly, they don't always tell us who their suppliers are. If they do, we provide links to the suppliers. So I can only leave you with the obvious URLs, which appear below. Sorry.

http://www.honda.com/

http://www.gm.com/

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   7/11/2013 6:00:27 PM
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a.saji, you can rest assured that this will be monitored for a long time before it sees really big numbers.  

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