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Slideshow: Tesla's Model X Blends Electricity & Function

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Jennifer Campbell
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Just plain cool
Jennifer Campbell   1/22/2013 8:49:40 PM
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First and foremost, I have to say: I want one! Those doors alone are pretty cool - they remind me of a hybrid version of the suicide door.

Chuck, you mention that pricing is not yet known, but are you merely speculating that the price will be along the lines of the Model S? If memory serves, that car will start at about $50K.

Charles Murray
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Re: Just plain cool
Charles Murray   1/22/2013 8:57:27 PM
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Yes, it's around $50K, Jenn. In November, the base starting price went to $59,900. After the $7,500 federal rebate, it comes in a little over $52K. The price of the Model X is likely to be battery dependent. If it uses a bigger battery than the base Model S, then the price could be higher.

eafpres
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Re: More Than Electric
eafpres   1/22/2013 9:50:20 PM
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@TJ--I agree there are features that seem a stretch, and the doors are near the top of the list.  Doesn't anyone remember the DeLorean?  I'm not sure I'm convinced about "walk in".  If you don't cut out the floorboard, then you still get to the door frame and have to get in.  And, you have that door above your head.  On my ancient Toyota, the rear hatch pnematic assist has gotten tired and sometimes I bang my head because it is open but not all the way up.  If they forego pneumatic assist, it will mean electric motors and more battery drain and more stuff to fail.  I also wonder how you get out in certain emergencies?

I can understand a big touchscreen if the icons are larger etc.  Would make it easier for the driver to do things without taking their eyes off the road as much.  I'm not sure it will really be distracting if done right.  However, 17" starts to sound like they have hired designers from Sony (or from Texas?).

The one cool thing to me is the extra motor for the AWD.  Now that is something a conventional SUV can't do, although it is starting to appear on hybrids.

oldpartsnrust
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My next car.
oldpartsnrust   1/23/2013 9:24:08 AM
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I have already started saving up for this vehicle.  The 17' screen is already present in the Tesla Model S.  I truly believe in this company and as far as I am concerned, they are are already successful.  They pushed the EV envelope and demonstrated what is possible that was thought impossible.  They have a solid business plan starting with the roadster as an elite niche vehicle that was "Proof of concept" and are now getting gradually more mainstream with the Model S and upcoming Model X.  If I cannot save up enough for the Model X I would consider shooting for the more affordable Gen 3 unless it is FWD, that would just be dumb!

 

 

Contrarian
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Cart before the horse?
Contrarian   1/23/2013 9:44:43 AM
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Tesla is a company that has posted losses for years, is behind on their guvmint loan, discontinued the Roadster and can't get Model S's out the door - and they're working on another one?  So they think styling/features are what's going to convince the masses to pay $25K more for a car?  At some point, they're going to have to sell something.

Zippy
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17 inch screen
Zippy   1/23/2013 9:54:52 AM
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Just a thought on the "distracting" 17-inch screen:  If you load up the screen with lots of tiny font information or download a Netflix movie, it will definitely be distracting.  The display in the pictures looks like some marketing glitz to show off the screen.  However, large-font critical information compatible with more "mature" eyesight would be faster to comprehend and actually less distracting.

kf2qd
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Just a feel good car with little practicality
kf2qd   1/23/2013 10:48:10 AM
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TRhe reviews I have seen outside the EV worshipping community seem to think that the fit and finish of these cars would make the Yugo look like a luxury car... In a day and age when we are seeing wages decline and costs of everything go up, does another $60K car that we have to support with our already scarce tax dollars make any sense? It seems that most of these ideas (electric with short range, hydrogen fuels and the energy costs to obtain hydrogen...) are so much in the feel good area that we are supposed to forget that most people can't afford one, and the long term viability isn't there. Or we can look to folks like good old green Al Gore who preaches that we should sacrifice while he and his wife fly around in a grossly inefficient Gulf Stream Jet.

The EX does not run without polution, and no-one wants to talk about the real energy and polution cost to drive one. Mostly it seems that it is cool because the governemt is subsidizing them. So I can't afford one, but I have to help someone with considerably higher income buy theirs.

Shadetree Engineer
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Falcon Wing Doors
Shadetree Engineer   1/23/2013 11:59:34 AM
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I just watched the company video at: http://vimeo.com/36534892

 

At 16:19 you can see the Falcon Wing doors opening. It's not true that these doors will not open outwards. So I replayed that sequence of door opening and clearly the door moves upward at first, and then angles outward about 30° from vertical, before swinging back inwards a couple inches.

There's also a 'click & drag' feature on the Tesla site: http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx

 

In the garage while parked next to another car. Here you can see that it really looks too close if you park at the doors opening clearance limits. But the camera position is not chosen to show the clearance accurately, but to dramatize the apparent clearance. The camera really needs to be placed looking squarely between the two cars.

 

This is a reaonable clearance because if you were to park so close to an obstacle that the door is almost touching while it opens, then you will be shuffling sideways to get past the vehicle. So these Falcon Wing doors use about half the room of the front doors, plus the needed clearance is up high. If you park with a reasonable looking amount of room, then there shouldn't be any issues with getting the rear doors open. A sliding side door will use more space as that kind needs to hang outside the car body, using up valuable inches.

 

As for how you close these doors, this video shows that they are powered down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T67oOf4JqwI

 

There's a warning bell that starts before the doors open or close, like a backup alarm. The warning bell shuts off when the doors stop moving. Obviously, Tesla thought of the situation where a child in the rear seat is unable to close their door, an adult in the front can still do so using a remote door switch. I imagine that will also work for opening.

 

But I still would prefer to see the Jatech Rotary Drop Door used.

oldpartsnrust
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Re: Cart before the horse?
oldpartsnrust   1/23/2013 12:01:59 PM
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Let me preface this with making my bias clear and saying that I am a big fan of EVs.  Yes, Tesla has posted losses since they started up.... that is because they ARE a start up.  It takes years to develop and build out a factory capable of producing tens of thousands of vehicles a year, not to mention a HUGE pile of cash.  They SHIFTED production from the Roadster over to the Model S.  They have never had a problem paying their Government loan.  In fact, they have stepped up the repayment schedule.  They have delivered more than 3500 Model S' to date and their factory production is at 100% now that they have successfully ramped it up.  This means they are on track to produce > 20,000 cars in 2013 and potentially turn their first profit.  Please do not bash a company based on misinformation.  There are plenty of actual concerns watching this company mature without blatant distortions and outright fabrications.

VoltDave
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Re: Model X or S?
VoltDave   1/23/2013 12:12:57 PM
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I think photo number 5 is the Model X (did you update the photo since the original comment?).   The shapes are so similar that a squished photo of an S would take on the taller appearance of the X.  The tell-tale is the lower black trim, which doesn't appear on the S.

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