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Slideshow: Chrysler Rolls Out All-Electric Fiat

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Mydesign
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Re: Yes it is a compliance vehicle!
Mydesign   12/4/2012 6:13:22 AM
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GT, oho, they are introducing the vehicle only to CA market. Any idea, when they are planning to introduce to other US markets. I think, they are introducing only a limited edition to CA for a market review or to collect user feedbacks.

Contrarian
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And the Showroom Price Is?
Contrarian   12/4/2012 9:38:27 AM
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The value and success will depend on the price.  If it was priced commensurate with a no-frills economy car, then it might have a chance.  As a $40K or whatever showroom ornament and enviro-weenie status symbol, it's DOA.

If it's like any other BEV out there today, the CEO is only half lying.  It's a compliance car *and* it will never turn a profit.

jhankwitz
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Re: Yes it is a compliance vehicle!
jhankwitz   12/4/2012 11:02:46 AM
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It should be noted that Toyota's new plug-in Prius is also only sold in California.

Ceylon0
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Re: And the Showroom Price Is?
Ceylon0   12/4/2012 11:10:17 AM
Two points:

First, I'm not buying your comments and the contrarian view today would be one arguing in favor of electric given the environmental ignorance being perpetrated on the public by big financial interests. Even if you deny climate change effects, when you flush your toilet the waste doesn't go into the river. It's processed. The same should be true with regard to what we do with the air. It's part of the commons and unless you manufacture your own, conserving the quality is a TRUE conservative position!

Second, the bottom line is one of matching the application coupled with high volume production. You match the car to your need and high volume production will reduce the price. It's simple and has been demonstrated ad nauseum!

NiteOwl_OvO
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Re: Yes it is a compliance vehicle!
NiteOwl_OvO   12/4/2012 11:45:03 AM
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GT, I think you've pegged it. At least for now, the 500e appears to be a compliance car. It is also most likely a learning excercise. A necessary, but unprofitable step on the road to the future. I doubt they expect to sell more than a handful of cars. Perhaps a totally new EV design is in the works at Fiat.

Chuck_IAG
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cutting edge...
Chuck_IAG   12/4/2012 11:54:25 AM
If the Chrysler chief's statement "It's an electric vehicle that doesn't act like an electric appliance" is true, how come the controls look like those of a blender?

"retro-futuristic design"? Does a picture of George Jetson come standard, or is that an option?  Holy cow. 

My son just came from the LA auto show yesterday with camera pics of cars like a stunning new Lexus electric and the sexy BMW i8 hybrid.  And Chrysler introduces this?  I'm underwhelmed.  I've seen cuter zits on a hog.  The Fiat 500 itself looks like someone did a poor job of photoshopping the BMW Mini.  Then they brag about time in a wind tunnel...  What direction did the wind blow, I wonder?

Unless the car's price tag is going to be somewhere around free, I'll pass.  We've already got an electric skateboard.

ChasChas
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Re: blah
ChasChas   12/4/2012 1:42:03 PM
 

Yes, the problem with Fiat is that they -  look like a Fiat.  I think their style designers have found the fountain of youth or something - they are still there after 113? years.

Ratsky
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Re: Yes it is a compliance vehicle!
Ratsky   12/4/2012 2:55:04 PM
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Nobody seems to get the point that if this is "a learning exercise" for Chrysler engineers, then how many potential customers will pay good money to become a guinea pig or lab rat?  I vividly remember the "second generation" Fiat 500 Nuovo from the late '50s.  A truly wretched tiny car (actually an enclosed motorcycle, 2-seater with 1.5 HP 2-cylinder air-cooled engine complete with a cable clutch).  Topped out at 59mph with a strong tailwind and a 100 lb. driver!

Ratsky
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Re: Yes it is a compliance vehicle!
Ratsky   12/4/2012 2:57:07 PM
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Sorry, TYPO!  It had a 16.5 HP engine, 500cc of course.  It WAS taken from a motorcycle design.

Chuck_IAG
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Chuck_IAG   12/4/2012 3:32:31 PM
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I knew a guy who collected Ford Edsel wrecks.  I used to be fond of Corvairs.  What does that tell you about "taste"?  Beautiful sophisticated women may not have a problem with cars that rust out in 2-3 years, like my old Fiat Spring (something like an 850cc motor as I recall) that looked cute, rather like a mini-MG, but couldn't get up a steep hill from a dead stop, and at 3 years old had a rusted-out floorboard.  But I don't let supermodels pick out my cars- they don't have to fix them.  History will, as always, judge, but Fiat does not seem to have an especially good track record in this country.

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