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$100k Fisker Karma 'Bricked' During Consumer Reports Test

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Ivan Kirkpatrick
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Re: $100 Fisker Karma EV
Ivan Kirkpatrick   3/12/2012 1:48:04 PM
Although there are several issues at stake here the engineering aspect is clear.  New and very complex technologies are going to have issues until the entire system is well exercised.  

In software we have a saying that the end user is the final test load.  The more end users one can get early on will improve the product development as long as it is acompanied by a dedicated and well funded engineering team.  The company should fully stand behind their products, especially at the prices they charge.  It might take a little while to iron out all the bugs and to actually make a profit but it will come with the right combinations of engineering fixes and better customer support.

A hybrid powertrain is much more complex than a EV only.  EV only performance depends on the batteries and as we have already noted in these pages, the battery technology is developing rapidly.  Effectively a 3 fold increase in battery capacity and lower costs would make the EV only pretty much unbeatable.

The downside is, gasoline is still relatively cheap and the infrastructure is well entrenched.  I found a news article regarding a gasoline from coal plant in West Virginia.  I have no idea how much gasoline from this process costs but eventually there will be some breakeven point compared to gas from oil.  The US haas lots of coal. 

Rob Spiegel
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Like when Microsoft crashed
Rob Spiegel   3/12/2012 2:27:09 PM
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This reminds of the time the Microsoft Windows 98 crashed when Gates was debuting the system during the keynote talk at the 2005 Consumer Electronics Show. It's hard to explain it away as a rare glitch.

Charles Murray
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Re: $100 Fisker Karma EV
Charles Murray   3/12/2012 6:53:03 PM
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When we said "bricked" in the article headline, we were referring to the fact that the car was stopped dead. Consumer Reports described the vehicle as undriveable and immovable. There's no ambiguity there. The car was indeed bricked.

Charles Murray
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Re: $100 Fisker Karma EV
Charles Murray   3/12/2012 7:02:10 PM
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You can call it sensational journalism if you like, Roy, but Fisker is using $529 million of taxpayer money to build this vehicle and then selling them for $100K a pop. Should Consumer Reports ignore it when the Karma becomes the first car in decades to die in the their lot? Should Design News ignore it when the car has to be towed away? I would think most potential buyers (not to mention taxpayers) would want to know this.  

Charles Murray
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Re: $100 Fisker Karma EV
Charles Murray   3/12/2012 7:05:37 PM
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You're exactly correct, Naperlou. The Karma has a 20-kWh battery, not a big one like the Tesla Model S. Theoretically, if we assume that the cost lies somewhere between $700/kWh and $1,000/kWh, the battery would run between $14,000 and $20,000.

tekochip
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Bad Karma
tekochip   3/12/2012 7:16:19 PM
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Sadly, this is big news, and factual rather than fanciful. If the review was great, the high visibility would have paid off for Fisker, unfortunately they had the biggest failure that Consumer Reports has ever encountered in an auto. If it was a Kia it would have been big news, but being a Karma the news is devastating. I honestly feel sorry for them and I hope they have a high visibility resolution.


Jon Titus
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No market for this dud
Jon Titus   3/12/2012 7:23:36 PM
It seems this type of vehicle appeals only to people who have high incomes and lots of money to throw around.  I doubt it would make any difference if the Fisker Karma cost $100K or $250K; they'd still buy one for the "cool aura" or "novelty" effect on others. There's no reason for the taxpayers to subsidize these buyers.  If the Fisker Karma was a good idea, people already would have raised private capital and invested it in this company.  They didn't, which should have given people in government the idea that a "loan" would not pay off. Why do we continue to elect people who pass legislation that allows for this type of subsidy?  Time to clean out the Augean Stables, a.k.a. the Capitol and White House.  Vote smart.

Mydesign
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Message for Start up Companies
Mydesign   3/12/2012 11:37:50 PM
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"It's just really difficult for a startup company on its first car to get everything right. But this is a little bit beyond that."

Exactly Charles, new or startup companies are trying to competitive with the existing technology or global players. We have to motivate and encourage such startup companies in full heart and then only they can be more fruitful. For any startup company the best lesson is learning from others failures.

pkoning
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Re: $100 Fisker Karma EV
pkoning   3/13/2012 9:35:01 AM
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It would be good to have accurate article headlines.

The Fisker isn't an EV, no more than the Volt is.  I know the media have been given a snowjob by GM Marketing, but it would be good for writers to show some independent judgment and describe these devices correctly.  Fisker and GM both build hybrids, not EVs.  If you want an EV, you have to go to Tesla or Nissan.

Patrick Harris
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Outsourcing Manufacturing
Patrick Harris   3/13/2012 9:41:53 AM
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First the DOE awards $0.5 billion to a company that's building luxury cars in Finland then GM, which is partly owned by DOT, buys a 7% stake in French automaker Peugeot. Peugeot hasn't sold cars in the U.S. since 1991. No wonder unemployment is not decreasing. We keep shipping jobs overseas and the U.S. government is the biggest culprit.

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