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The 'Conspiracy' Behind the EV Market
6/18/2012

The crushing of GM's EV1 remains the most prominent of the EV conspiracy theories.
The crushing of GM's EV1 remains the most prominent of the EV conspiracy theories.

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irishmuse
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Re: A little baggage
irishmuse   1/2/2013 6:03:09 PM
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CAFE was, and is, stupid.  It does nothing more than force people to buy things they do not want.  Chrysler sold the Neon at a loss every year because it was cheaper to sell them at a loss than to pay CAFE fines.

In the disgusting bail-out, JEEP might have been viable as a business all by itself, except that it is a business that would be large enough to be bound to CAFE and it would be prohibitive. 

Further, since CAFE does not consider cradle to grave energy use and many of the things done to meet it are energy intensive, CAFE may not represent any energy savings.

Without CAFE, we would likely have a very different, less expensive vehicle fleet.  We also might use no more total energy in the process.

Patrick Harris
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GM Right in Destroying EV-1
Patrick Harris   9/10/2012 1:24:07 PM
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Though I initially lamented GM destroying every EV-1 (I arrived in Mesa, Ariz. six months too late to snag one of my own), they had every right to do so. Many of the lessons learned from its production were incorporated into the Volt. GM is loosing $49 K on each Volt. Imagine how much more they would be loosing if Ford, Toyota or Honda bought a few EV-1s and then rushed their version to the market?

Charles Murray
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Charles Murray   7/9/2012 8:23:41 PM
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Chris PE
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Chris PE   7/9/2012 12:29:10 PM
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@Charles.

Hi Charles,

Toyota problem has been "quietly " resolved.It has nothing to do with mechanical stuff.It was simply a bunch or whiskers growing inside a speed control module, which caused the problem.These defects are not easily predictable ,although easy controlled by a proper PC board technology.We are having tons of problems with ROHS products. Now military is excluded from it and going to good , old lead.Many of the seniors in a society were listening to radios and TVs which contained pounds, not ounces of lead and their rate of cancer is lower than people below 50. Sometimes we just have to stop and think.Tin is the fastest in growing whiskers and we will have all gadgets with life of 1-3 years ,unless we learn how to make good precision masks , or use conformal coating (both expensive).But then again , it is what most manufacturers want - built in life span.Just like in "Bladerunner".

Regards,

Chris 

Charles Murray
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Charles Murray   7/6/2012 6:17:09 PM
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ennis: Yes, running a company must be a difficult undertaking. Just ask the people at Toyota who are still dealing with the problems of "unintended accleration." Now the problem is floor mats.

Chris PE
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Chris PE   7/6/2012 10:58:17 AM
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Hi Dennis,

It's OK. Always a pleasure. Thanks again for a great discussion.

Regards,

Chris

Bunter
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Bunter   7/6/2012 9:25:06 AM
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Thanks Charles.

I've come to realize that even running company poorly and bring a sub-par product to market is a very difficult and, in a way, impressive undertaking.

To do it well...wow.

Many of these private projects are really impressive too.  I admire the effort and creativity these folks show, they beat what I've done hands down.  It just seems that many could use a bit more perspective on the additional challenges a commercial effort requires to be a success.

Cheerio,

Dennis

Bunter
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Bunter   7/6/2012 9:19:01 AM
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Hi Chris,

Meant to get back to you sooner.  The CAPS LOCK was a joke on myself-I still look at the keys a lot.

No offense taken, I've just found that extreme statements tend to cloud the message that, ironically, they are used to emphasize.

Cheerio,

Dennis

Chris PE
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Re: Competition and the profit motive trump conspiracy
Chris PE   6/28/2012 8:28:17 AM
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@Jackiecox GMC makes engines , not electric motors.So calles "Diesel" locomotives use Diesel engine to power an electric generators that in turns send electricity to controllers, that power electric motors. There is no such thing as Diesel locomotive. It is a great misconception and missunderstanding. It is all about overcomming an innertia and adjusting a "track speed" of a train.No combustion motor wa ever able to do it. We went from steam to diesel-electric.Regards,Chris.

 

jackiecox
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jackiecox   6/27/2012 9:01:50 PM
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The train motor I am refering to has cylinders you can standup on, its a combustion engine, or was when it operated in our country

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