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Chevy Volt Owners: We'd Do It Again
1/3/2013

The Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid got the highest score in Consumer Reports' owner satisfaction survey. (Source: General Motors)
The Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid got the highest score in Consumer Reports' owner satisfaction survey.
(Source: General Motors)

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DeVille
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Re: When the Market should choose
DeVille   1/4/2013 8:19:56 PM
For me, the Volt stands on its own as a beautifully engineered and well designed car. I spent a lot of time going over the engineering before I bought the car, a 2012.

For some reason, the Volt became a target of political opposition to the Obama administration's handling of the GM bankruptcy and restructuring. I'm a conservative myself, and am critical of the way GM's restructuring was handled.

But that has nothing to do with the Volt as a car. I've been following its development since early 2007. Bob Lutz spearheaded the Volt development at GM. He happens to be a conservative also and is a real car guy.

Following a lemon experience with a new 1973 Chrysler, I've been buying upscale foreign cars since, until the Volt. I wasn't part of the Consumer Reports survey, but count me as very satisfied with the Volt.

I traded in an Acura RDX for the Volt. The Acura is a good car. But I averaged 19 mpg with it. The Volt has averaged right at 250 mpg, using more than an order of magnitude less gas. That represents a technology breakthrough.  The Volt rides better, is much quieter, equally comfortable and has equivalent amenities such as audio and the navigation system. Given the twisty roads in the hill country where I live, the Acura tended to eat disk brakes. The Volt, with regenerative braking and a lower center of gravity, lets me make better time with no brake wear. It's an enjoyable driving experience.

I'll get a one-time tax credit of $7,500 dollars for buying the Volt. But I had to make the money to owe enough taxes to receive that credit, so I don't think my credit comes out of anyone else's pocket. The feds had decided, before Obama, that supporting electric vehicles was in the national interest. I won't argue that question. The feds subsidize a great many things, some of which I would agree with, others not. One of the big subsidies is on home mortgages. That contributed to the bubble in house prices and our current problems. But hey, I paid off my mortgage long ago, so I don't get any tax breaks for owning a house. Bottom line, I don't feel guilty about my tax credit for the Volt. :)

rohvemula
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Re: Totally Disgusting
rohvemula   1/4/2013 5:40:59 PM
NO RATINGS
Thanks for your comment , you need not be sorry for our Government action. They do many mistakes. But we cannot help. Atleast in this country we have the right and guts to criticisze. But some countries they take it granted.

In making Chevy Volt, some one should vouch for the technolgy to make it possible. otherwise we may have to depen on fossil fuel for ever whcih is not renewable. If you ahve the oppertunity drive the Chevy Volt to ahve first hand informaion and feelng.

I am not a sales person for GM, I am one of the user of Chevy Volt. Some people are having very wrong feeling and or image about Chevy Volt and American made cars. Just for your information in my family we have Lexus, GM Potiaic Van, Ford Mustang, Chevy Volt. We are very happy with Amrican car then Japan made Lexus. It is expensive to maintian and not duarable like Aemrican Cars. this is our personal experience. All American Cars and lexs mentioned above are driven an averagge of 130,000 miles except Chevy Volt.

tyme2par4
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Re: When the Market should choose
tyme2par4   1/4/2013 5:19:44 PM
Kleetus, the Volt would have no problem hauling 1000 pounds of anything up a highway hill in any state. During testing the engineers drove a Volt up Pikes Peak. There are dozens of Volt owners in CO and none of the ever have a problem climbing the mountains. 

I'd challenge you to take any number of compact cars up some huge hills and compare them to a Volt. The Volt isn't a sports car, so it shouldn't be expected to perform like a Ferrari...

The upcoming Chevy Sonic EV out permorms the gas version in just about every aspect.

dr_innovation
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Re: When the Market should choose
dr_innovation   1/4/2013 5:15:48 PM
Kleetus said.. "Let's see your volt take 1000 pounds of passengers up a WV highway hill at 90... My LS can do do it with pedal to spare. Come out of Denver and head west up the pass... with the heater or the AC on... I'm sure it can do 90 on the level, after a few miles of run up... "

 

I've taken my volt up that I70 as well as up Pikes Peaks,  and its not a problem at any speed.   I've have it to 100mph (and it was still accelerating) with 4 passengers and a full load of cargo. -- all in battery powered EV mode.   The speed is artifically limited to 100mph (which given US speed laws is reasonable).  

It would be useful if you had basic facts straight, but then again we've come to expect that lack of knolwedge and mis-information amoung the anti-volt crowd.  Motor trend test it tup to 100mph, so you don't ave to believe me, read the reviews. 

tyme2par4
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Re: Totally Disgusting
tyme2par4   1/4/2013 5:14:18 PM
Bunter,

GM is not losing money on the Volt. No it hasn't recouped all of the R&D costs yet, but it is on its way there. I REALLY hope you're not referring to the Reuters article about them losing $89,000 per Volt. If you are, you should actually read the whole article and take a finance course. That number is rolling the whole R&D cost, plus the production cost over the 20,000 Volts built at the time. That's just plain stupid math. A number of GM people have noted that the car is infact making money, and is well on its way to recouping the development costs.

No, we wont see a 500 mile range battery anytime soon, but most the price will come down. Yes, we've been working on energy storage for 200 years, but Li-ion batteries have really only been a major player for about 10 years. Even in those 10 years they have inproved significantly.

dr_innovation
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Iron
Re: Old gas problem?
dr_innovation   1/4/2013 5:08:09 PM
The volt uses a preassurized gas tank so the gas lasts longer.  THey recomment top-tier preimum, as it lasts longer.  Every 6 weeks of non-use the engine will run for 1-2 min (using .03 gallons as I recall) to keep the engine lubricated and in running order.  If you keep your gas longer than 12 months,  it will do a "fuel maintence run" and burn off half a tank.   So some people, like Jay Leno that drives his almost every day but uses almost no gas, will reach they are forced to burn some gas.   Personally I don't have that problem as I take enough long trips every year.. I'm a volt slacker as there are people using less than 1 gallon every 2000 miles.. 

From 10/29/11 to 12/29/12, my Volt went 11097 on 27.7 gallons of gas + 2742kWh of "green/wind" electricity. Total fuel costs=$259.27, yielding: 0.25 gal./100mi, 400.5 MPG, 101.73MPGe, 166.5 MPG$ or $.0234/mi.

dr_innovation
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Re: When the Market should choose
dr_innovation   1/4/2013 5:00:23 PM
Bush defined the "tax credits" for which the Volt currently qualifies.  The deisgn of the credit was not to give money directly to companeis, but rahter define an incentive that is paid only when the Manufacturer actually sells the car, i.e. it is a market driven incentive.   

The iMev was/is not pupular so it is earning its comapny few incentives.  The Volt is the most popular plug-in-vehichle so its earning GM a better return on its R&D investment. 

None of your tax dollars went into a buying someone a Volt. They simply get a tax credit, if they have earned enough to have that tax libility.  I went out and earned 50K extra to buy mine for cash, and paid 14K extra in taxes on that 50K income.  The "credit" just allowed me to keep a little more of my tax money.... none of yours entered the equation.

By your logic, iff you have ever taken any deduction, then I've paid for some of your home, medical expenses, children, church...     

I'd be happy to see the government clean up the tax laws snd remove all deductions, stop the incentives, and stop the subsidites, direct and indirect, for oil/gasoline. 

 

 

warren@fourward.com
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Re: When the Market should choose
warren@fourward.com   1/4/2013 4:53:30 PM
Can't we all get along? Lets just agree to agree with me, since I'm right.

dr_innovation
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Re: How many polled were actual Volt owners?
dr_innovation   1/4/2013 4:52:42 PM
Fleet sales, which would include all government sales  as well as commercial sales are < 6%. 

If 92% of 100 replie postiviely, it would be  stastically very meaningful. 

warren@fourward.com
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Re: When the Market should choose
warren@fourward.com   1/4/2013 4:49:38 PM
It's only recently since the republicans became democrats that they have become warmongers like Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Truman, etc.

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